Asking about guns in the house
The mayor of Portland, Ore., is encouraging parents to put aside social niceties when their children are invited to play at another child's house, and ask if the inviting family keeps a gun in the house.
I remember the time I sent out invitations to my child's birthday party and a mom, who had just moved here from Miami, called to ask just that. I was shocked and initially somewhat offended. She told me it was a common question among families in her old community.
Now I think, awkward as the question is, that it makes sense -- for this reason: It reminds parents who do own weapons to take every precaution to keep them far from children.
The right to own a weapon comes is a private matter, but other families should have the right to be forewarned before they send a child to play in a home with weapons. The majority of unintentional shootings involve children who come upon easy-to-find, loaded weapons.
Wanting to be forewarned about the possible risks your child may face -- or having the opportunity to talk to your child about what to do if he ever encountered a weapon -- is a fair expectation.
So would you ever ask -- or tell?
20 Comments:
I'd not only ask, my kid wouldn't go.
Krista, are you a writer of editorials?
Was this subject really the best use of ink you - a writer of editorials - could come up with today?
I just read your 11/23 entry and I can't find words to comment on it except to say that He knows when you've been sleeping. He knows when you're awake. And he knows that, as you dash between toddler gymnastics and play group, you just don't have time to wait in long lines at the mall... is the absolute I swear to God worst thing I've ever seen in any sort of editorial milieu in my life.
I know you can take a stand because I saw with my own eyes you doing so - and boldly - during the manufactured controversy over cervical cancer innoculations.
I believe they've sedated you, rolled your chair into a dimly-lit corner, dressed you in a gingham apron and are forcing you to doodle your tedious columns with a blunt pencil on the back of an old grocery list.
Please. Shake it off. You and the rest of the Enquirer editorial staff have covered the topic of children to an excruciating degree. I can barely stand the minute it takes to open that last page of Local these days before I flee to the internet to find some discussion I can get my teeth into.
If you've been assigned the "women's beat," for crying out loud, girl, grab it by the throat and do something worthwhile with it.
Here is a suggestion....if you don't know the parents in question well enough to know if they own firearms maybe you shouldn't let your kid play at their house. But if you are going to ask if they have a gun in the house you should ask the following questions:
Have you ever been convicted or been labeled as a sexual predator? Do you drink? Is the alcohol in your house locked up? Are you currently taking any prescription drugs? Are they locked up? Do you have a pool, and is it alarmed in case someone falls in?
You kind of get my drift....if you are going to ask, you might as well find out about all the potential hazards your child will face visiting some one else's home.
With any luck, your kid will probably not be invited over anyway and that will end that worry for you.
Better yet teach your own children what they should do should they ever see or come in contact with a gun. My 6 year-old already knows never, ever to touch them and furthermore he knows that if he ever sees a friend with one he is to go tell an adult right away and leave the area.
There are far more dangers, usually more accessible, lurking in homes other than guns. As already mentioned, swimming pools, cleansers, power tools, matches etc.
The number of firearms, or if I have any at all are none of your business, or any body elses.
If I were to be asked, I would state:
"My family's ownership, or lack of ownership of firearms is a private matter. Be assured that we keep all poisons, pesticides, knives, alcohol, pointy sticks, Jarts brand lawn darts, power tools, step ladders, spray paints, prescription drugs, pixie sticks, shillelaghs (we are of Irish descent), baseball bats, lengths of chain, tire irons, hand tools, toilet plungers and other items that children should not contact secured"
So, do I own firearms? I sure do. Plenty of them. I own them to protect my wife and my children. I also own them for hunting, recreation, and defense of self. In fact, I'm one of the hundred thousand or so Ohioans who have been licensed by the State to carry one concealed. Yes, I could be right behind you at Wendy's with a pistol secured in a concealed holster. You may see my wife at the mall, but you'll never know that there is a 9mm in her purse while she shops at Saks.
The only time you will know is if somebody tries to kill you, or us, or our kids, or your kids. Why then, am I telling you this on this public blog? Well...I am anonymous.
Actually, the points made by some of the posters about other dangers in the household would be valid if death or injury were the only considerations of what would affect a child. I realize that this will offend, but will try to explain clearly because many well meaning people buy guns to protect themselves; I don't want my children around people who embrace gun culture of any kind. I may even find myself living in another country eventually if this one cannot improve itself on this score.
If death is the issue, it's a false one. We will all die sooner or later, peacefully in our beds or at the hands of someone hostile, or with some malignancy. The real issue is how you live, not how you die. I think "None of your business" is in itself a gauntlet thrown down, a hostile statement lacking a cooperative spirit to engage another concerned parent.
We're different kids of people, I think, and that may be the real basis for friendship.
Good Grief, what a sick post!!!
Yes, it's OK to ask this quetion, in my opinion. I've heard mentioned elsewhere, in other ways; "don't forget to lock up the gun" is one way a woman put it during a group conversation before a kid's birthday party.
Whether you should own a gun or not isn't the issue here. The issue is children's safety. You can be a very responsible person, and your kids can still find the guns and get hurt. It's not your fault; it happens sometimes. The only way to prevent it is to unload the gun and lock it up while other people's minor age children are in the house. That stops little ones from getting hurt accidentally during play, and it stops anguished or troubled teens from exacting some imagined revenge on family members or friends.
If you are used to having the gun loaded and in a place of easy access defensively, it can be easy to forget to move it when little ones come around. It's easy to forget, that's all. Reminding each other is responsible, not nosy. If someone asks the question, it's just one way of reminding you. It's all in how the question is taken, frankly. Don't get bent over it. :)
"I don't want my children around people who embrace gun culture of any kind. I may even find myself living in another country eventually if this one cannot improve itself on this score."
You might be surprised how much exposure you kid gets to "negative" gun culture. Try listening to gansta rap, or watching hip hop videos, or gratuitous violence on TV or in the movies. None of which reflects the majority behavior of law abiding gun owners.
As for the question itself...my point is that if you are going to be invading someone's privacy in the name of "the children" go all the way. My original statement remains unchallenged, if you don't know your kid's playmates parents well enough to know whether they own a firearm you have now business sending your kid there to play.
I would definately ask the parents if there are guns in the house. If there are not, how the hell do they expect to protect my child if the need arises? Should always make sure people are responsible in general with your kids, and especially make sure they can protect them.
Statistically, more children die of accidental drownings than accidental shootings.
Accidental deaths by drowning, ages 0-14, during year 2004:
761
Accidental deaths by firearm, ages 0-14, during 2004:
63
Source: CDC WISQARS, which contains data on deaths in the US up to 2004.
If your children are in a neighborhood where criminal shootings are common, I would encourage you to be as careful as possible with their safety. If your children are visiting a house where you know the parents are hunters and/or firearms enthusiasts, you might want to double-check with the parents on safety concerns.
You could even ask them to help you find training in gun safety.
But if your kids are going over to place that has a pool, make absolutely sure the parents know how to keep kids from drowning.
I doubt I would ask that question, but I might ask if they had taught their own children gun safety. My children have all learned what Eddie Eagle teaches: stop; don't touch; leave the area; tell an adult. It's as simple as that.
If I were asked that question, my reply would be two questions: "Have your kids learned gun safety?" and "Have your kids learned basic respect for the privacy and belongings of others so they won't go snooping and touching others' things without permission?"
If they haven't learned those, I don't want your kids in my house.
I think you're a bit confused as to what constitutes a "right", but even so:
As a gun owner, I don't see anything wrong with asking. Of course, if I'm irresponsible enough to keep my weapons in the reach of visiting children, what makes you think that I'm responsible enough not to lie to you about it?
If you don't know me well enough to know whether there are guns in my house or not, you don't know me well enough to trust that I'd be truthful with you, now do you? And if that's the case, how responsible are you being by allowing your children to visit unescorted in the first place?
Instead of being busybodies, don't you think it would be much more effective to be...um...parents?
Jeff,
I'm 9:11 Dec 5th. Thanks for your observation about our culture. I meant those things too, but didn't want to drift too far from the discussion which revolved around physical safety.
My dilemma is that I also believe in free speech to the maximum and the use of parental control on the source to keep youngsters away. I don't want a "child culture" where I'm forced to think simple thoughts all the time. My real prejudice about the "right to bear arms" is that it is outdated since we have an army and it is an unnecessarily hostile position to take and represent. AGain, I will offend someone today, but I won't/can't shoot you, at least.
No, I never did ask Krista, and never would. Why? because unlike what you and others of your ilk try to imply firearm owners are not crazy, irresponsible, fools. The most honest and trustworthy people I've known are firearms owners.
I'd rather that a kid, or grandkid, of mine be visiting a home where the residents are armed than one where the residents are un-armed. That's because they're more honest and dependable and also they'd be capable of protecting my kid and theirs if a violent intruder showed up.
I sure as hell would'nt want a kid or grandkid of mine to visit YOUR home Krista.
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"My dilemma is that I also believe in free speech to the maximum."
Agreed, my point is that the only representation of firearms in popular culture is negative, so when you said you didn't want your kids exposed to "gun culture" they most likely already are. Kinda like abstinence only kids not knowing about sex :-)
I don't want to derail the general thread but your comment about:
"My real prejudice about the "right to bear arms" is that it is outdated since we have an army and it is an unnecessarily hostile position to take and represent."
The right to bear arms has nothing to do with protecting the country against other hostile nations. It has everything to do with protecting the individual from a tyrannical government. Although I current don't ascribe to the theory that we are currently living under one some do. Which begs the question:
""How can you reason with someone who thinks we’re on a glide path to a police state and yet their solution is to grant the government a monopoly on force."
Please don't misunderstand me....I am not ascribing this thought to you either. Without the 2nd amendment as a individual right, you are not going to have to worry about the 1st, the 4th, 5th or any other provisions in the Bill of Rights. Just look at what happened in Burma. A disarmed populace at the mercy of despots.
I would already know who had them and who did not. If they didn't care about their own protection enough to own weapons, why would I trust them with my child's protection?
Jeff,
9:11 Dec 5th, again:
Wow. Great comprehensive answer. Makes mine look downright....simple - how embarrassing to be thinking like a child ;}
Seriously, I'm not going to relinquish my position just yet, like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but it's always gratifying to have a courteous, well thought out discussion. My gift/limitation is that I think in terms of what affect the material world has on the spiritual/psychological human mind.
Even the Japanese recognized that guns are impersonally violent in a way that even samurai swords are not, and have banned even toy guns from their culture. So that's where I'm coming from sometimes.
Regards,
Keep your kids at your own house and out of mine. I don't ever let my children play at other people's houses, and I don't allow other children into my house. That's why we have the big outdoors...go play outside! That way I don't have to deal with someone else's spoiled brats, I'm not open to charges of harm to any child, and I don't have a house full of trashed-up funiture and bare cupboards because I let the kids run the house. And, no fear they'll find a loaded gun at my house. That works for me, so there's the answer...no kids are allowed in my house unless they live there. At least I know where my kids are at all times and that they are a little safer from the sick people who live in this nasty city.
My children are not allowed to visit homes where they are not adequately protected - meaning if there aren't firearms in the home, they aren't going.
Protection against what, exactly, in someone's home? I might even be able to understand walking the streets armed, but what would you have to fear if your child is visiting someone's home? That robbers will come and kick the door down right while they're there? Could happen, but how often vs. the possibility of accidentally shooting someone. Or what if that person has a drug addicted relative who comes and goes at will that they wouldn't think of shooting, but might offer the kid some dope, nonetheless. I guess I just don't see (or imagine) the same number or type of threats from "the other"
that some of you do.
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