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Thursday, July 12, 2007

Stone cold Ohioans

Peter Bronson has an interesting column about Ohio history in Thursday's Enquirer about the figures in the U.S. Capitol's Statuary Hall.

As Pete explains it, each state gets to put up statues of two famous citizens. In Ohio's case we have former President James Garfield and former Governor/Senator/Congressman William "Earthquake" Allen, a 19th Century poll who is an eminently forgettable old racist. An Ohio legislative committee, as noted in the column, is working on replacing Allen with somebody a little more memorable and worthy of the honor.

The only other ways for somebody to have their statue in the Capitol is through an act of Congress or as a gift from some outside group that Congress chooses to accept. The latter resulted in the statue of a third Ohioan, Ulysses Grant, being placed there as a gift to the nation from the Grand Army of the Republic.

I digress.

Replacing Allen with a better candidate is something we all have a chance to weigh in on. We have a message board on our Community Conversation page to take your suggestions, which will be forwarded to State Sen. Robert Schuler, R-Cincinnati, and his committee. Pete suggested such luminaries as the Wright Brothers, Roy Rogers and Albert Sabin. I'd toss in Paul Brown or Harriet Beecher Stowe. The two main qualifications are that you have a connection to Ohio and that you be dead.

Let's have some more suggestions.


28 Comments:

at 11:19 AM, July 12, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ulysses Simpson Grant U.S. president, Point Pleasant
or
Procter & Gamble (double bust heads of William Procter and James Gamble )

 
at 11:44 AM, July 12, 2007 Blogger David Wells said...

P&G would be good choices. But as noted above, there already is a statue of Grant in the Capitol. I admire him too, but I don't think we need two of the same person.

 
at 1:44 PM, July 12, 2007 Blogger Brah Coon said...

Somebody ( probably Dick Cheney) had the bright idea of making Dick Cheney the man to select George W. Bush's VP candidate back in 2000. (true, look it up)

After careful deliberation, Cheney decided that only one man in America was fit to be the GOP VP candidate.

I think we should let Peter Bronson decide who should replace Allen in stone.

 
at 3:27 PM, July 12, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess I missed something. I don't see the connection between Cheney and Bronson.

Are you suggesting Bronson wants to nominate his own bust sculpture?

 
at 3:42 PM, July 12, 2007 Blogger David Wells said...

Let's keep this thread on point. We're looking for famous dead Ohioans worthy of a statue in the Capitol.

 
at 3:45 PM, July 12, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul Brown? The Brown family shall have no accolades from Ohioians , no position of presitige or respect until his heirs fix the travesty of theft from public coffers to unjustly enrich his family.
How could we honor someone while his family dishonors us?
I bet old Paul Brown is deeply ashamed of the legacy his children and grandchildren have left for him to bear, tainting his memory. He's probably spinning in his grave!

 
at 5:19 PM, July 12, 2007 Blogger Brah Coon said...

Oh! Never mind then.Wait! What about Bob Shreve? With Garrogo and Chicky right beside him! awwww

 
at 6:44 PM, July 12, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul Lawrence Dunbar (1872-1906, Dayton).

Who's he? He was America's first professional African-American literary author and poet. He was known throughout the entire USA in the 1900's and was one of the most recognized and accepted writers of the time. His poetry is written both in standard English and in black folk language. His poetry is lovely and his life, faced with the stereotypes and restrictions of the time (he originally wanted to be a lawyer), make him worthy of national recognition.

 
at 6:51 PM, July 12, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary M. Emery, founder of Mariemont.

I'd also say George Reiveschl (inventor of Benedryl and one of the area's biggest philantropists), but happily he's still with us yet. :)

 
at 9:17 PM, July 12, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:45 is dead on about Paul Brown. What were you thinking >> David Wells? We should take his name off OUR stadium and sell naming rights to Delta (or the highest bidder) >> oh..., never mind, Bob Bedinghaus gave up our right to do that!
PB was an innovative football mind. No one ever said he was a good person. He did what was good for him - just like his heirs.

 
at 10:20 PM, July 12, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul Brown helped both Cleveland and Cincinnati over many years.

Paul Brown collaborated with his heirs on how to minimize his inheritance taxes. The IRS has resolved that issue. We should accept the IRS's decision. The IRS is not known as generous, so they got what was legally owed in inheritance tax.

The recent robbery by Mike Brown and the crooked deal he made with Hamilton County (Commissioner Beddinghouse) and Cincinnati City Council to build a public owned “Paul Brown” stadium, but controlled by the Brown Family, was performed after Paul Brown's death, so should not be held against Paul Brown.

 
at 10:23 PM, July 12, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Inventor Charles Kettering (1876-1958) was born in Loudonville, Ohio. He registered 140 patents, including the self-starting ignition for automobiles, leaded gasoline, and Freon (with Thomas Midgley Jr.). Kettering founded Delco (Dayton Engineering Laboratories Company) in 1909, where he invented many of his products. Kettering was a 1904 graduate of the Ohio State University. He was also known for his philanthropic work, including the establishment of Sloan-Kettering Institute for Cancer Research near Dayton

 
at 9:36 AM, July 13, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

"54/40 Or Fight" say's I!

Let's keep Allen!

He was a racist? Umm, prepare yourselves for a shock. EVERYBODY was a racist in Allen's day. Even Lincoln. Read your history!

 
at 4:10 PM, July 13, 2007 Blogger JohnDWoodSr said...

It's like a light came on in my head !!!
Thomas Alva Edison was born in Milan, Oh in 1847. He invented everything except the hula hoop and maybe armadillos.

Or how about Tecumseh? I don't know where he was born, but he spent a lot of time here trying to keep our butts out.

 
at 10:10 AM, July 16, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personally I have had more than my fill of revisionist history. Allen won his place in the Hall and should be kept instead of being replaced by some politically correct piece of garbage. Anyone who thinks differently clearly has, or at least supports an agenda which at its center revolves around mind control. All thoughts deemed evil and/or improper simply will not be allowed by these self-appointed thought policemen, nor will any history be taught or accepted which has not been put through their PC filter. Reality and truth are not welcome guests in the home of political correctness.

 
at 12:57 PM, July 16, 2007 Blogger Brah Coon said...

I sorta agree with keeping Allen.
Let's face it. Is that the worst thing you can find on him - he was an 19th century racist? I have a feeling LOTS of statues are going to be coming down.

You pretty much had 3 kinds of white people in the mid 19 century: racists who opposed human bondage, those who did not necasserily oppose it and those who supported it.

Sure, Lincoln was an abolitionist. But I have a feeling if his sister had wanted to date a freed slave, you would have seen old Honest Abe grab a rope, a torch and get busy with some serious lynchin! That's just the way it was back then. No?

We should change the present and maybe try to alter the future, but let's not do either to history.

 
at 3:43 PM, July 16, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wasn't around in the 1800's but I think its sad when you state that ALL whites were racist. You can recognize cultural differences, heredity, and reality, without believing in superiority. I doubt that all abolitionists were racist?

 
at 6:34 PM, July 16, 2007 Blogger Brah Coon said...

anon@3:43 PM

Yes it's "sad". But true.

It's sad that Imperial Rome crucified people everyday and did much worse. But it's true. Deal with it.

History is what it is.

 
at 8:59 AM, July 17, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

In your world AOA and by your standards are all Whites racist today? Are all Blacks racist too? Is everyone a racist today?

 
at 6:55 PM, July 17, 2007 Blogger Brah Coon said...

anon@8:59 AM

The answer is no. Why do you ask me that?

anon@3:43PM I have never said " ALL" of anybody think anything. Why do you say that? Can you people read? Please read again.

 
at 5:20 AM, July 18, 2007 Blogger David Wells said...

AOL and Anon 8:59 you are straying off the topic of this thread. Please get back on the subject or take it elsewhere.

 
at 11:05 AM, July 18, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Wells “Off topic?” Did you miss Alter or Abolish’s statements that we are all racists, so why should Allen’s statue be singled out for removal from Congress’s display?

Alter or Abolish’s called all Whites racist by writing: "You pretty much had 3 kinds of white people in the mid 19 century: racists who opposed human bondage, those who did not necessarily oppose it and those who supported it."

I read his three categories that all whites are pretty much racist, so why pick on white Allen for removal. Mr. Wells, is this off topic? Your topic supports the removal of Allen’s statue. Please read more carefully before you editorialize.

Mr. Alter or Abolish if this is not what you intended to communicate, please learn to write clearly.

 
at 1:44 PM, July 18, 2007 Blogger Brah Coon said...

Ok, If not Allen then I say Stiv Bators. Born Youngstown, died Paris France. *COUGH*11:05 AM, GET OVER IT*COUGH*

 
at 9:53 PM, July 18, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I second the nomination for Thomas Alva Edison. He is truly worthy of the honor; the invention of the electric lightbulb alone transformed our world more than any President, poet, business mogul(s), or anyone else. He didn't just improve America; his inventions have had a major influence worldwide, and being able to do that makes him someone all Ohioans can be proud to honor. He was a consummate genius, indeed. And face it, that hair of his would look great in bronze!
-indygrad

 
at 1:08 PM, July 19, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

thomas alva edison was a very creative man. The problem is that NJ (Menlo Park) and Michigan can claim him too, for he created most of his patentable work there.

 
at 1:23 PM, July 19, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've never heard of william allen. I googled his name and read he was in favor of slavery during his times. Is there any evidence that he changed his mind, after enlightenment, and opposed slavery before he died? Is this a pc crowd feel good move?

I say get rid of william allen because he acommplished little of historical note. Garfield should go too.

 
at 9:02 AM, July 20, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Current WV Senator Robert C. Byrd wore a white hood for the KKK. Is he a racist?

 
at 10:22 AM, July 21, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

On Edison: Sure NJ and MI can claim him too, but have they?? I don't think he's one of their two (four) people. If we put Edison up, we trump all the other states' claims, because he was born in Ohio and if he hadn't been born, we'd still be reading by candlelight...And, he's one person everybody can agree with, regardless of their complexional issues.

Albert Sabin is also worthy IMO because his accomplishments improved people's health worldwide. I think we should honor someone who made a difference for ALL people everywhere.
-indygrad

 
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