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Tuesday, July 03, 2007

Paying kids to come to school

I once asked the mother of one of the brightest, hardest-working teenagers I had ever met what she had done to motivate her son when he was a little boy.

"Money," she said without missing a beat. "When he was little, he'd work for pennies."

I say that to acknowledge that, like it or not, cash stands behind some of mankind's best efforts.

Nevertheless, I am not a fan of New York City's plan to pay low-income students to do well on tests ($300 to $350), get a library card ($50),and graduate from high school ($400). In addition, their parents can make $25 for attending a parent-teacher conference. The family also gets $600 for each Regents exam the child passes.

The bonuses come mostly from private funds and target 2,500 families in six poor neighborhoods. In fact, they're pitched as an anti-poverty effort that will improve student achievement.

Plenty of middle- and upper-income parents use financial incentives to motivate their kids, but I think we foster a mercenary attitude when we pay kids to come to school and work hard -- and, geesh, to even get a library card. And I wonder how much benefit a parent-teacher conference could provide if parents have to be paid to attend.

Sorry, I think there are better ways to fight poverty and to get children to take responsibility for their own learning.


12 Comments:

at 11:35 AM, July 04, 2007 Blogger Brian said...

Krista, I am all for hearing your ideas about how to get lower income kids to attend school and read books. You trail off with the old favorite "there are better ways." Well here is a challenge for you: What better ways are there? I hope to hear your response and not just another hackneyed columnist cop-out. I am not trying to pick on you, but at least this piece, you offer the hint of giving an alternative without ever having to go out on a limb . . .

 
at 9:25 PM, July 04, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ms. Ramsey says...."Sorry, I think there are better ways to fight poverty and to get children to take responsibility for their own learning."

Ok after 40+ plus years of a failing welfare state and public education, please share with us your secret "better ways". We are all ears.

 
at 11:44 PM, July 05, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

We already pay kids to go to school. The payment is called GRADES. Earn enough good ones, and you CAN get money...that's called a scholarship.

Here's some ideas:

Since current funding based on property tax values in each district is unconstitutional, why not collect all the money in one statewide general pool, divide it by the number of enrolled schoolchildren, and that's the individual allotment for each child. Each school, regardless of district, then receives their portion of the money based on their enrollment. Small schools get less money because they have less students to educate. Larger districts get more. The distribution proportion is fair and equal, and therefore (I opine) constitutional.

Second, take the positives of charter schools, end that experiment and put both the positive results and all the public money back into the public school systems, where it belongs. I know, people want vouchers to get good educations. Read on...

Finally, standardize the curriculum statewide; for example, in France, all elementary school children learn the exact same material from the exact same lesson plan across the country, at the exact same time. In Germany, students are tested for their aptitudes and their high school (which is specialized) is then chosen based on their individual strengths and abilities. That way, children are educated to do what comes easiest and best to them.

More ideas, anyone else? I'd love some real positive thoughts here, because that's how we can actually get something done. Whining and criticizing each other all this time hasn't worked, so there's my contribution to a dialogue that may have an actual result.

 
at 10:02 AM, July 06, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Krista, your Anon response is fundamentally flawed.
You assume that better educated students is a result of spending more money. This has never and will never be the case in the USA. The percentages of money spent on public education has surpassed inflation while the results decline. I don't care how far they dumb down the testing. WE are 24th out of 29 industrialized nations, in the quality of our national education system.

We use to be able to educate our kids. The answers are simple.
Get rid of the teacher unions who fight improvements. Education can not occur within a classroom without discipline. Restore discipline within the classroom. Deny lawsuits by parents who won't accept required measures by the state to teach their brats. etc.

 
at 11:34 AM, July 06, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kids just need to be scared of their parents if they get bad grades.
It's as simple as that.
The problems isn't the kids, it's the parents.
Teachers aren't hear to raise other peoples kids, they're here to dispense information.
There is no "better way" people need to do it for themselves.
If you give "poor kids" money for doing well in school, how's that going to make the other 95% of the kids in schools feel?
What's going to happen when these kids get out in the real world and aren't instantly gratified when they do well at their job. You can't ask your boss for a raise or bonus every time you do what they're already paying you to do. You're setting these kids up to fail. It's just a horrible idea.
Next thing you know, we'll start giving adults money for not going to jail.
I'm thirty years old, I've never been to jail, where's my check!

 
at 1:51 PM, July 06, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

New York City is just preparing their kids for adulthood on the welfare payroll.

Do only what is minimally tolerated and Libs will reward your "good" intentions.

Oh, and if we can get them to vote, they will keep us Libs in power because we hold their housing and meal tickets.

 
at 10:36 AM, July 07, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Krista didn't write the 11:44 July 5 Anon post. I did. And this is not a liberal or conservative problem, it's everyone's problem.

I wasn't supporting any increase in spending, only an equal and fair and hopefully Constitutional distribution of the money, standardization of curriculum so all kids learn the same material (as they should), and bringing out the best natural talents of every student in the secondary educational level. I was using some proven examples as reference points for research into my suggestions.

I do agree with the union problem; they are still operating under an adversarial philosophy, rather than the emerging business relationship and partnering formula. This is not something to fight about, it's something we need to achieve in unity for this country's improvement universally across all of the ridiculous lines we draw.

I also agree with the comment about the role of parents.

New York's idea is not good at all.

I am glad to see postings on the subject, and again, I hope to see other suggestions of a positive note, so we can progress. It is for the best of our entire country and our economic strength in future years.

-indygrad

 
at 1:06 PM, July 09, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems that Cincinnati Bell pays for achievement in their partnership with Taft. It is a HUGE success.

http://www.cincinnatibell.com/aboutus/community/youth_and_education/

I personally think that school is work and while it's a benefit, kids don't always make the connection. That's something that they need to learn. A few bucks here and there might make all the difference to some kids. At the very least it makes a connection between learning and earning and that less does have some parallels in life.

Regardless, the concept is proven to work, so this application has some chance of success. Fortunately, the results are measurable, so why not give it a try, if a more effective strategy (like the Bell-Taft partnership) can't be intelligently implemented?

Anon2U

 
at 9:14 PM, July 09, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm in total agreement with the NY experiment. School is kids' work. We adults expect to be paid for our work, so why not pay kids for their work. Tweak it by giving higher "salaries" for higher grades, to create a little more incentive to do well. Given the 60% dropout rate in inner-city schools, we've got nothing to lose, and it's probably cheaper to pay kids to stay in school now than to pay for welfare, jail, and medical care later.

Wake up, conservatives-- This is cheaper in the long run. Think about it.

 
at 10:51 AM, July 10, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon2U,

The difference between the program at Taft High and the NYC plan is that a corporation is donating the funds, not the taxpaying public. If corporate sponsorship works, and you cite a good example of success, then perhaps this is an option to be explored, especially if the donation is then tax-deductible for the corporation (which provides an incentive for more corporations to participate).

 
at 11:39 AM, July 10, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm merely saying that the PRINCIPLE of paying kids for performance appears to work well.

It doesn't matter who's paying, if it works. If the budget is a problem, well, then kill some administrative staff and some dead wood. I mean, look at what we pay per head to educate a kid poorly. There's plenty of fat to cut to fund something works.

Of course, they could just give parents vouchers and save tons that way too.

Anon2U

 
at 4:47 PM, July 10, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok if paying kids to learn successfully in school is a good idea because it motivates, then
Each kid should have balance sheet.
We should pay for good grades.
Deduct for poor grades.
Pay for good attendence.
Deduct for skipping class.
Pay for good conduct and discipline.
Deduct for demerits and bad behavior.
Pay for good extra curriculars.
Deduct for poor efforts.
etc.

 
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