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Friday, May 04, 2007

And in the Strange Bedfellows Dept. ...

Well, now, isn’t this interesting? Here’s one issue on which card-carrying ACLU members and card-carrying NRA members may end up carrying the same card. The National Rifle Association has urged the Bush administration to withdraw its support for a bill by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., that would let the attorney general – whoever that might be by the time the bill passes – block gun sales, licenses or permits to terror suspects.

The key phrase here for the NRA, of course, is “gun sales.” The key word for the ACLU is “suspects.”

NRA director Chris Cox objects to the bill’s “arbitrary denial of Second Amendment rights based on mere ‘suspicions’ of a terrorist threat.” I’d wager that most civil libertarians, even those loath to admit that the Second Amendment addresses an individual liberty, would agree that this could infringe the rights of innocent people. It would give the Justice Department power to deny a gun sale to anyone by putting him on a secret terror watch list – the sort of wide discretion in the name of national security the ACLU has been fighting since the Patriot Act was passed in the wake of 9/11. Due process goes out the window if you are a “suspect.” Sound familiar?

As we’ve discovered often during the past few years, a suspect does not necessarily a terrorist make. And as we’ve discovered recently from the FBI’s overzealous issuance of “national security letters,” such powers have a natural tendency to be abused. Literally anyone could end up on such a secret list. “We cannot tear up our rights under the Constitution in the name of fighting terrorism,” writes the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre. Now where have I heard that before?


16 Comments:

at 5:27 AM, May 05, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I resent the liberal media's spin on this story which on its lying face accuses the NRA of trying to support terrorism/terrorists. What is at stake here is a citizen's Constitutional rights and as far as the Second Amendment goes it is the most important because it is the one that guarantees the rest by force if need be.

As far as criminals go, terrorists included, the NRA is as opposed to them committing their crimes as anybody else, but the looney left's solution of attacking honest citizens rights is something akin to slitting one's own throat to fix a headache as opposed to a more conventional cure of popping some asprin.

Just being someone's suspect is not reason enough to try and strip a person's natural and civil rights from them. If the government has a case against somebody by all means let them make it in court just like they are suppose to.

America has a long history of opposing this very sort of arbritrary government abuse which is in fact criminal in nature itself. We fought a revolution against Britain for the very same kinds of crimes to maintain our sacred rights and clearly it seems we may need to do that again (real soon).

 
at 3:05 PM, May 05, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous @ 5:27 am:

Let me see if I've got this straight. If someone suggests that it's too easy to buy a gun, then that person is "looney." But it's OK to suggest that it's time to fight a revolution against the government?

Talk about looney.

 
at 8:37 AM, May 06, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are a lot of slippery slopes out there - this story shows that the NRA is only willing to see them when it's there ox being gored. The ACLU takes on both popular and unpopular causes, but not the NRA. I'm a gun owner, I think gun control is hitting the target and that guns don't kill people, people kill people. That said, until the NRA stops being a wholly owned Republican subsidiary I will not be a member.

 
at 10:22 AM, May 07, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill Adkins thank you for not joining the NRA. I hope you enjoy your ACLU membership.

What conservative causes does your ACLU support? What % of the ACLU cases are Liberal vs Conservative?

 
at 5:10 AM, May 08, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Secret lists have been around as long as there has been something to write on. The marriage in principal of the NRA and ACLU is far fetched at best.
Citizens who have gone thru the proper background checks should be able to own a gun if they wish. Lists of terrorist or "bad guys" are o.k. with me since we have had them for years pinned up in any post office across America.
No mountain seen here, only molehills.

 
at 3:30 PM, May 08, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon@10:22 AM, May 07, 2007 - I, unlke you, am not a single issue voter - nor am I ready to line up with the Democrat gun control wing which is significantly weaker today. Post Va. Tech there has been no outcry from the gun control wing or the Democrats, has there? That's because the cause is going away. That said, the NRA is pro - Republican and they fan the flames using that tired old 'gun control advocates want your guns.' I have approximately 50 firearms, keeps down pests and thieves. I prefer the ACLU because they fight to preserve the American Way and the Constitution - all of it, not just the 2d Amendment. The Republicans today are anti-Constitution. TheACLU doesn't advocate causes of the right or left, their agenda is to protect your rights and the American Constitution. Enjoy your GOP membership - it doesn't require thought and you'll be quite comfortable.

 
at 1:38 PM, May 09, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Adkins, you saying it doesn't make it so.... "The ACLU doesn't advocate causes of the right or left".

To repeat:
What conservative causes does your ACLU support? What % of the ACLU cases are Liberal vs Conservative?

 
at 6:17 AM, May 10, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:38 PM, May 09, 2007 Anonymous - you make my point as to the little thought required to be a Republican - you're not qualified to carry on this discussion. The ACLU may advocate a cause you don't like - they may advocate a cause I don't like. Is it liberal or conservative? No - simply causes I don't like. Right now, for instance, the ACLU is backing the NRA - which category does this fit into, for your purposes, right or left?

 
at 10:11 AM, May 10, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

God has spoken:
" you're not qualified to carry on this discussion "

Lord, please excuse me for not being as righteous as You and Bill Adkins. I will cower to your command.

 
at 2:22 PM, May 11, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 10:11 AM . Don't you know that only Libs are intellectually astute enough to know best, for the rest of us, how to run our lives. All conservatives are Neanderthals and Libs are Master for all races.

I don’t understand why Libs even waste their time lecturing down to Conservatives. The superior gene pool is definitely liberal. They have told us so!

 
at 11:31 AM, May 12, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good Grief, people, listen to yourselves! This is the pot calling the kettle black, and both sides are ready to slap labels of nonsensical political irritability on each other...for what purpose? What are you all achieving here?

The Second Amendment IS AS IMPORTANT AS ALL THE REST OF THEM. It's like the Ten Commandments...one is not more important than the other, and we have been told this clearly by the Author himself.

We have the right to bear arms. We also have a right to protect sane citizens from those who should be denied this right...convicted felons of armed crimes, for example. There should be requirements mt to own a gun, the same as there are requirements for serving in our mlitary, driving a car, voting, citizenship in our country...etc.

As for the NRA and the ACLU (neither of which I personally hold an affection for): if these two organizations actually have a common ground, we should celebrate this, not tear it apart! UNITED we Stand...Divided (as you are) we will fall.

So, regardless of political party or 'liberal vs. conservative' rhetoric, realize the community good in this situation and support it, eh?

 
at 8:09 AM, May 13, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now there you go - you last two anons can color your books together!

 
at 10:25 AM, May 14, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 11:31 AM....How naive and silly. With your logic, since the Ku Klux Klan supports the second amendment right, we should celebrate the KKK collaboration.
What nonsense!

 
at 8:58 AM, May 16, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

actually, and i'll probably get beat about the head for this, but, I was under the impression that the 2nd amendment wasn't exactly a right; something to do w/ a well regulated militia. Besides, if gun ownership was a right, I don't think owners would need a license.

 
at 12:30 PM, May 16, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amendment II (the Second Amendment) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, declares a well regulated militia as "being necessary to the security of a free State", and prohibits Congress from infringement of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms."

What other type of RIGHT do you have in mind?

 
at 12:43 PM, May 16, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rights are not absolute freedoms. Rights are legislated within bounds for the greater good.

E.g. Your freedom of speech does not give your the right to scream "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater. Your right to a free press does not absolve you from civil liabilities if your "speech" is inaccurate and harmful.
Citizenship rights do not permit you to avoid registering for the draft, obtaining a social security # to work, etc.

 
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