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Monday, March 26, 2007

Ohio voters to government: Hands off our property

It’s no surprise that a new poll has found two-thirds of Ohio voters don’t even want government to be able to take property for clearly public projects such as roads and bridges, let alone private ones. They’ve seen, with Norwood and other cases the Enquirer has written about, how the traditional concept of eminent domain has been abused. Governments have turned it into a tool to take any property that isn’t generating “enough” tax revenue – then argue it’s promoting economic development for the “public good.”

As the Enquirer reported Sunday, a Quinnipiac University poll found strong sentiment for curbing this abuse, with 78 percent saying it should be more difficult for the state to use eminent domain. The Ohio Supreme Court ruled unanimously last July that economic benefit to the community alone isn't enough to satisfy the “public use” requirement. And a staggering 82 percent of Ohioans think that using it for the kind of private development that Norwood’s Rookwood Exchange shopping/office/ condo project was about shouldn’t be allowed, period. “Rarely do we see numbers this lopsided,” said the polling group’s assistant director. "Voters just do not like eminent domain.”

Ohio lawmakers had better keep the court’s clear direction in mind while crafting an eminent domain reform bill this session. State Sen. Tim Grendell, R-Chesterland, says his bill will curtail abuses while reserving the right to take property for public use “as a tool of last resort.” Let’s hope so. As Grendell said, if lawmakers don’t pass a reform with real teeth, angry voters may approve something even more restrictive with a ballot initiative.

Voters sense what the court noted last July – that something deeper than economic benefit or public advantage is at stake here. It is the bedrock principle of private property. The right to own is integral to liberty; many would say it defines liberty. Government cannot trifle with that fundamental individual right.


15 Comments:

at 10:14 PM, March 26, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ray, AMEN!
Private property is a pillar of what is left of the once vigorous and rugged INDIVIDUALISM that built the USA.
Too often Politicians, Activists, and “do-gooders” think they alone know what is best for the masses. Private Property rights are a basis for retention of what is left of citizenship’s self determination. You own the rock. You control the rock.

Many local politicians have forgotten this principle and are eager to abuse eminent domain for their own political gain.

Locally we have many examples of this abuse. Norwood wasted millions and needlessly delayed commercial development. They sided with an over aggressive developer who thought they could bulldoze their way through a viable neighborhood, with family ownership, by superficially declaring it blighted.

Green Township trustees Charles Mitchell (Chairman), Anthony Upton (Vice-Chairman), and Tracy Winkler (Trustee) are repeating these errors by attempting to confiscate the private property of citizen Rack (below market price). They don’t like him and think they have a better non-tax revenue generating use for his private property, a driveway to their proposed new park.

The end does not justify the means. If you want private property for select use by a limited number of others, then buy the property in the open free market, as the rest of us citizens are required. This country is America and not power abusing politicians’ little fiefdom playground.

 
at 8:16 AM, March 27, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Private Property should be off limits under any and all circumstances. There is no real eminent domain anymore its a money grab. The government treats your property like rental property and it can be taken on a whim. The government exists first and foremost to protect your right to property not to take it when they feel like it. Outlaw eminent domain nationwide, states rights first and as always Ohio is out front in this matter. Thank You Ohio Supreme Court!!.

 
at 11:49 AM, March 27, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it's aweful that Green Township is abusing the power of eminent domain. Is it true that they are confiscating a 6 acre parcel for a 20 foot wide driveway?

 
at 2:39 PM, March 27, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad Green Township is taking land from a rich guy.

We need more democrats in elected office on the West side to balance the wealth of the rich and poor.

 
at 8:57 AM, March 28, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vince Rack has built over 500 structures within green twnshp. All pay property tax.

Mitchell, Upton, Winkler want to build another no tax "green space" under high-voltage electrical towers. The towers will not be relocated with development. I hope they call it the "Mitchell,Upton,Winkler" Monument.

Why do they refuse permits to allow Rack to build on his land?

 
at 10:44 AM, March 29, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's going on in Green Township?
Sounds like the "green space" should be called the..."Mitchell, Upton, Winkler Fiefdom Playground."

 
at 7:43 PM, March 29, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am in NO WAY defending governments that take private property for private development- let me say that first and foremost.

With that said, eminent domain is a VERY vital tool for governments for public improvement projects such as roads. People don't understand eminent domain. People are compensated based upon appraised values. Only certified appraisers can be used so it's not government flunkies. If the appraisal is disputed by the property owner, he can have an appraisal done by a second independent appraiser.

In what I deal with, we RARELY use eminent domain. The last time we even used it was for a property owned by multiple people and one owner we could not locate even after exhaustive methods. All other owners agreed to the negotiated amount. So we proceeded with eminent domain on the 1/9th of property. The money for that owner is then held and goes on the unclaimed fund list. It's available to that owner if he requests it.

You have to have that tool or one person can hold up vital roadway improvements. The law should not be removed- it should be revised.

And the Enquirer- shame on you. You are hyping the issue without explaining eminent domain or giving the government agencies using it properly for public good a chance to respond.

 
at 3:32 PM, March 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Government Official Anon 7:43pm. Most citizens support eminent domain when it is used for the general public for a widely needed public benefit...such as widening I-75 etc. But most polls recognize that 80% of the public disapprove of its growing abuse for private and limited public use.

You and other politicians have used it to bully senior citizens out of their lifelong homes and neighborhoods for private development and public uses that only serve a small vocal minority. Even your precious green space PARKS are only visited and used by a small fraction of the public! Parks are great but not when you confiscate the land from private property owners.

What is the value of private property? True market value is determined by a willing buyer and seller. A coerced seller is not receiving his/her asking price. Eminent Domain is never a vehicle for determining a seller's price. Eminent Domain is used to decide what the public should pay an unwilling seller, for confiscating private property.

 
at 11:03 AM, March 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whoa, Anon 3:32... I just told you I didn't agree with the seizure of property for private development, so you comments are off base, and unfair characterization.

And your comment on "market value"- that what the appraisal is for. Many times today the appraised value is higher than the market value for a home-especially in housing market over the past year or so.

We aren't kicking little old ladies out of their home first off, and second it's more than peanuts for compensation. At least in the agency I work for, we are more than fair with property owners. And if we purchase an entire property, it was at a negotiated price from a willing owner without eminent domain even mentioned.

And in eminent domain there is costs for damages allowed. People don't realize that either. Many people get very sizeable rewards in damages if the improvement effects the future selling price of the property.

Don't put me in the likes of Norwood. Many governments use eminent domain responsibly.

 
at 3:05 PM, April 01, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 7:43pm What do you consider as valid public improvement projects?

Also, you obviously are non a real estate investor. Appraisal value is used for government taxation basis. Appraisal is often way off market value, especially concerning commercial property.

 
at 9:09 PM, April 02, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Public improvements such as roadways, sewers, water- basic public infrastructure.

I'm NOT talking about county auditor appraisal amounts. Appraisals completed by certified appraisers. Many times market value is LOWER than appraised value. When's the last time you bought a home for more than it's appraised value? Well, if you trying to get a mortgage, a bank wouldn't give you a loan more than the appraised value.

Your comment is an example of ignorance there is of eminent domain...

 
at 9:22 AM, April 03, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 11:03 is typical of the activist governmental officials. They know what is best for the rest of us and they are INCAPABLE of listening. The 80% of the rest of us don’t matter.

Do they understand market value? No! Ever hear of the saying "sell high and buy low"? Well if a real estate owner is coerced to sell in a down real estate market, this is the government’s fault. The owner is not a willing seller.

Anon 9:09 pm. Have you ever invested in commercial or residential property? If you know what your doing its pretty easy to shop “CERTIFED APPRAISERS” to get the best appraised value. Within reason, you tell them where you want the “appraised value” to price and they will accommodate. I’ve had Certified Appraisers vary appraisals by a factor of 175% on the same commercial property. This is your precious foolproof “appraisal system”.

Your argument is self serving and helps people like Green Township officials sleep at night (I guess?). Most sellers prefer to sell at their chosen time, in a market with lots of willing buyers competing with each other to raise the selling price. Your one buyer is not a "seller’s market".

I’ll admit your list of basic infrastructure projects is more palatable than Green Township’s green space wishlist.

But arrogant public officials are the heart of the problem. Confiscating Private Property for a vocal small minority of the public which will use the seized property is unjust, even if it is a GREEN SPACE PARK. Sleep tight in your fiefdoms.

 
at 5:08 PM, April 03, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

It must be easy to accuse and difficult to read. As stated before- If a property owner disagrees with an appraisal, they can produce their own appraisal. We don't "shop" appraisals. You come under the assumption if the government does it, it must be wrong. I will give you that appraisals are not without problems but that is the mechanism that has to be used by law.

Not every government agency is Green Township, so quit the "one-size fits all" arguement. Taking the land for a park is shady to me and doesn't pass the "sniff" test.

And once again, since reading comprehension is apparently lacking, our agency HARDLY EVER uses eminent domain. We negotiate and come to a amicable agreement. We don't force little old ladies on the street or just "take" land. Most properties we buy outright for a road project are from owners that inquired about us purchasing the entire property. Not us demanding it.

And eminent domain isn't for taking houses... that seems to be a common assumption. Sometimes it is necessary to get only a few feet of right-of-way from a unreasonable buyer. If an intersection is dangerous and needs improvement, one person can halt a badly needed work over just a few feet of land.

Not all agencies are Green Township or Norwood. So quit the broad brush platitudes. I sleep quite well at night because we work with our residents- they are our tax payers.

 
at 9:16 AM, April 04, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

State Laws should be passed which require that properties acquired by eminent domain should be done so at 150% of the "appraised value".

The "appraised value" should be set by a mutually agreed to 3rd party referee (binding arbitration) reviewing "Certified Appraisers" values submitted one each by the government and property owner. The 3rd party referee then sets a compromised “appraised value”. The government agency initiating the "eminent domain" case should be required to compensate the property owner for his/her appraiser's fee. All records of the proceeding should be public information.

Mr. Government official doesn't this sound fair? Won't this force government agencies to seriously reconsider the taking of each private property? Won't this insure the property owner that they receive a premium for being forced from their homes and property, regardless of market conditions? Seems fair to me!

 
at 4:48 PM, April 09, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Loveland want private property for a public park and negotiates a fair market price with the willing seller:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070409/NEWS01/304090033

Green Township wants private land from an unwilling seller to coverup its mistakes of acquiring unusuable land, so Green Township resorts to "Nazi Style" use of eminent domain.

We concerned cititzens of Green Township hope the trustees Mitchell, Upton, and Winkler are sued for their abuse of power!

 
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