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Wednesday, September 19, 2007

Compromise on Iraq? Not likely

Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, takes pride in being a key player in a Senate “centrist coalition” trying to steer a middle ground on various issues. His latest effort, Tuesday’s proposal for a compromise on Iraq policy, is an interesting attempt to give both parties what they want – but it's probably doomed to failure. Voinovich’s resolution, which he’s “shopping around” for support before it’s introduced, calls for a troop reduction in Iraq but doesn’t set deadlines for withdrawal, and states the U.S. must remain there for the foreseeable future. It calls on the United Nations and allies to take larger role in diplomatic and economic issues, and calls on the U.S. to limit its efforts to protecting its own interests, supporting Iraqi security forces and conducting targeted counterterrorism operations.

“I’ve been meeting with leaders on both sides of the aisle,” he told the Enquirer’s Malia Rulon. “What I want to do is move the ball down the court … get a consensus.” Sounds eminently reasonable. The problem is, few in that deliberative body are in a mood to be reasonable these days. The presidential campaign is in full swing, like it or not, and it doesn’t appear that either party considers it in its interests to strike a conciliatory tone, because that might further alienating its already disgruntled ideological “wing.” In particular, you don’t have to be much of a cynic to see that Democrats, realizing U.S. troops still will be in Iraq next year no matter what Congress does, would rather not have reached an accommodation with Republicans on the issue when the two parties battle for the White House and Congress in the fall.

Sure enough, Voinovich had barely finished a conference call to explain his proposal Tuesday when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., announced that Democrats were abandoning their plans to lure some Republicans with compromise language on Iraq bills, and instead would take a hard line on mandating a withdrawal timeline. As some bloggers and House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-West Chester, pointed out, Reid’s announcement came just one day after he met in New York with antiwar activist groups that have been, shall we say, impatient with congressional Democrats’ efforts to force an end to U.S. involvement there. Complicating the issue is the debate over a proposal by Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., to mandate a period of stateside leave for all troops there, thereby forcing a withdrawal without setting a timetable. In that kind of political environment, Voinovich’s compromise may have little more than a snowball’s chance. In fact, this doesn’t seem to be a good time for “centrists” in either party.


13 Comments:

at 2:46 PM, September 19, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad to read that all the compromises and negotiations for losing the war gracefully are failing. That behavior is for losers and Liberals.

If you want to salvage some semblance of victory within Iraq it will not be with compromise among Liberals and weak kneed Republicans.

The next 2008 election needs to be a clear choice between defeat with the liberals versus the opposite (with what is left of the Republican Party’s backbone).

 
at 8:05 AM, September 20, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think "graceful" has much to do with it since I don't think appearances are the key here. Not creating a huge, geopolitical nightmare, with blowback to our oil supply and national security would be the priority.

I'm as cynical as the next person about political motivations for getting re-elected, pleasing lobbyists, and lunk-headed voters in our democracy. BUT, this situation is crying out for delicate diplomacy, troop withdrawal (or a draft if that's where we're headed), and perhaps more of Rice's behind the scenes efforts to salvage what Bush has done, without appearing disloyal.
(How gratifying is it to see Alan Greenspan yapping all over the place and also backpedaling, trying to throw Bush under a bus....)

To follow up on the cynical note, it's obvious that Bush et al. are trying to hand this mess off to the next administration. If only the politicians didn't have to confuse the issues with carefully calculated TV/media sound bites in order to get ready a year and a half in advance to be (re)elected. Then we might, occasionally, hear some consistency and truth.

One metric is for certain: we are no safer, much poorer, and we are losing world leadership status rapidly - of course we can continue to build walls ("Olmert's Folly"), and rule by force, and fund military spending over everything else while we crumble domestically.

This isn't liberal, but it is a humble self examination, and mature political thinking. Good luck to whoever gets this job.

Also, where's Harry Truman when you need him to investigate government contracts? Or Teddy Roosevelt toexamine monopolistic practices. We used to have leaders. Now we have actors on the world stage and the show is a tragedy.

 
at 9:07 AM, September 20, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you read the proposal by Voinovich it is obvious that this is just another "kick the can down the road" proposal which has become the forte of all those Republicans who were, by God, gonna hold the President's feet to the fire come September if we didn't see any progress toward meeting those benchmarks. Voinovich has become quite proficient at portraying himself as teetering on the edge of supporting what the vast majority of the American people want. But when push comes to shove, he throws his lot in, once again, with those who continue to support the President's failed policy. This is a fine example of another "proposal" that is only meant to provide political cover to those Republicans who want to be able to say they support ending the war without having to actually do anything about it. Proposals like this are a win-win for these Waverers In Name Only.

Just yesterday Voinovich voted, along with virtually all the Republicans and faux-Independent Joe Lieberman, to deny our courageous servicemembers in Iraq the right to have time at home between deployments that is at least equal to the time of their most recent rotation period in Iraq. That is how Voinovich and his Republican colleagues support our fighting men and women. His attempt to portray himself as a "compromiser" is laughable on its face.

Your attempt to paint the Democrats as "hardline" in their views on Iraq is quite disingenuous. The Democrats change of heart is due to the fact that not one Republican who stated in the spring that September was the "Magic Month" in Iraq, had the courage to back up their words with deeds when it came time to break with the President's failed policy. The Republican cowardice in the face of the failure of the surge to provide space for a political settlement in Iraq is the reason why the Democrats have no choice but to forge ahead with their efforts to find a way to end this war. Every General, to a man, says there is no military solution to resolving the Iraq War. Yet our President and our Republican representatives continue to send a message that it is essentially the soldiers responsibility to fight their way out of Iraq.

At some point our elected officials will get us out of Iraq. And when they do it won't be due to any "Sense of the Senate" resolutions or "suggestions" to an obstinate and stubborn President or "compromise proposals" by the likes of our Senator Voinovich. It will be because they have finally caught up the American people who realized a while back that this was fools errand sold on deception and fear. The Iraq War has not made us safer and it has not diminished terrorism in the world. It has done nothing but tarnish our reputation around the world, inspired an new generation of America-haters around the world and led to a significant erosion of our personal freedoms and liberties in this country.

George Voinovich a compromiser on Iraq? HA-HA-HA, That's a good one, Ray!

 
at 4:29 PM, September 20, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Care to look at actual history? Truman was hated during and following his presidency while he was alive. Truman was not appreciated until historians started to write books after his death and after the media of his day moved on.

 
at 4:42 PM, September 20, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 9:07 AM...Can you be any more disingenuous?
You can have Voinovich. He is going the way of DeWine.
Webb's proposal for troop layoffs was a backhanded attempt to limit troop levels by setting standards for active duty that could not be met with present day troop configurations worldwide. What a Winnie way to back into the "move-on.org" position.

Shame on you for calling the improvements made in Iraq during the surge a failure, when our troops are losing their lives and changing the tides of war. Thanks be to Allah that you were not a leader during the tough times of the American Revolutionary, WWI, and WWII.

I hope your bogus public opinion polls and portraying Gen Petraeus as "betray us" keep you warm at night.

 
at 11:05 PM, September 20, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @ 4:42 P.M. According to Defense Department reports, due to the war in Iraq, Marine units have been required to deploy at rates more than 25 percent higher than what the service considers acceptable for long term deployments. Active Army units have been consistently exceeding their deployment standards by 60 percent. If the Department of Defense had not relied so heavily on National Guard and Reserve units these rates would have been even higher. Up to 100,000 reserve personnel were deployed overseas at any given time for tours averaging 342 days. The reserve forces have not been relied on this heavily in over 50 years and at that time the rest periods given to soldiers between deployments averaged twice the time soldiers were deployed in the field. So tell me again how unreasonable Webbs proposal was? Even today, up until our Iraq fiasco, the Pentagon considers acceptable rest time to be twice the time of a deployment. We are breaking our troops by holding them hostage in Iraq. They are not pieces on a chess board, they are human beings. This is not one big game of Risk.

The purpose of the surge, according to the President, was to provide "breathing room" by providing additional security so the Iraqi government could focus on making political progress. By all measures that has been a complete failure. Even General Paetreus admitted as much. Please be so kind as to detail how the surge has significantly "changed the tides of the war". By virtually all measures conditions in Iraq overall have not improved due to the surge. There are temporary reductions of violence in areas where troops are concentrated. By DOD estimates Iraqi forces are incapable of taking over these areas and holding them and they cannot even predict when they will be ready to even begin taking over even moderate security responsibilities. So what do we do? Keep our troops there forever trying to keep the peace in a civil war? That would seem to be your proposal.

Are you one of the proponents of the idea that because so many have already died in Iraq, we have to stay there forever in order to justify the deaths of all those who came before? If so, you'd better drink that Kool-Aid real slow or you might choke on it. If this war in Iraq is such an all-encompassing fight for the very existence of our civilization, then by all means let's institute a draft, marshal the forces necessary to stave off those working for our extinction and stop putting the responsibility for fighting this war on the less than one percent of the country that is impacted by it.

 
at 7:05 AM, September 21, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 4:42 PM - Do you think we need a draft? Just curious what you think the military involvement in this situation should be for the immediate and future fate of this war.

This isn't a challenge, and if you don't have a plan, that's OK, I don't either. Just wondering.

BTW, I have extraordinary respect for military culture and members of it who are sacrificing for me - it exists to guarantee that I can question their use. They seem tough enough to take the debate and committed to their mission. You'd have to be or you wouldn't last a day. Hesitation would kill you.

 
at 10:59 AM, September 21, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

A draft is not needed today to fight the war in Iraq and general war on terrorism. However, the draft decision needs to be under constant review. War is unpredictable.

the size of active duty USA military personnel is over 1.5 million. About 200,000 are stationed in Iraq and Afghanstan. These levels are sustainable through mid 2008 but beyond that requires redeployment of troops from other worldwide locations to Iraq or total reduction of troops in Iraq. The draft is a possibility.

Losing the war in Iraq will have too great a devastating lasting effect on the USA's worldwide war on Islamic Terrorism to declare defeat in Iraq before mid 2008. Around mid 2008 we should see significant improvement or we need to relocate troops in Iraq to remote bases. The one critical factor we need by mid 2008 is greater capability by Iraq forces to fight and police their own war. If we do not achieve this we will have lost.

 
at 11:11 AM, September 21, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our USA military personnel are amazing. Daily they face the dinosaur main media fomenting 10-20% of the American population for hatred of the military and what they are attempting to accomplish in Iraq and in the general war of terrorism. It is no wonder why bogus public opinion polls report 60%+ of the general populace support bias questions calling for defeat in Iraq.

Yet our military fight on with valor and determination. This is not Vietnam. The Liberals have not beaten down and defeated the USA military ........yet.

 
at 4:35 PM, September 21, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

uuuh, i'll bite. what are they trying to accomplish in iraq? surely you're not going to tell me its part of the war on terror.

why don't you face the truth. it is an intentional war started by the neocons to sieze control of the worlds oil for their personal profit. everything about iraq has been and continues to be a lie. like they did with impeachment, these neocons that you respect so much cheapen everything they touch. now they cheapen the military (after all its a small price to pay).

 
at 9:41 AM, September 25, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do so many people believe freedom is free and why do they think that we're the only one is allowed to have freedom.

Fact, war is hell as we have all heard over the years and as a Vietnam vet, I can attest to this to be factual. There are no benchmarks in obtaining freedom; it takes as long as it takes. Once in place other options fail that, do not include freedom. When we obtain freedom, just how long did it take? If one is not sure of the answer, just open a US History book and obtain the answer.

We are a world of people and each one of us should be or have the opportunity to obtain freedom. Failure to give or allow freedom to another because one feels the loss of a person in a military action isn't acceptable, again hasn't looked back in our own history to obtain freedom. They also dishonor the person that gave their life so someone can have freedom. Giving to the betterment of our fellow man is not just an honorable thing to do but gives us value as humans.

 
at 9:46 AM, September 27, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: 4:35 Pm Sept. 21st,

It's more insidious than that. I never thought it was
ENTIRELY for personal profit, although that has
certainly been an irresistible opportunity, but rather
to sustain the oil companies' (and their associates
such as the Bush family) reach in the region.

I believe that the reason for this is an extreme,
patriotic view that the nation's oil supply is
necessary for it's defense for the foreseeable future.
I think that's true, but I wouldn't have chosen the
approach of a benign dictator when in fact, this is
supposed to be a democracy. I don't want Bush and
Cheney lying to me about the reasons, assuming that
I'm too stupid to understand the issues (or smart
enough to oppose them).

I've been watching Ken Burns' "The War" and am
reminded again that I'm not being asked to do anything to support this effort; something that would do more to help restore our lost sense of community and nationality, than anything else could. But they don't want us involved. They want control and probably feel secure and righteous in the belief that they are doing the right thing for us.

I don't want benign dictators; I read, I vote, and despite all distractions like arcane tax returns, and tangle of managing medical co-payments, etc. I am an informed citizen.

This is the real danger in my mind.

 
at 6:01 AM, October 01, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The war is not up for compromise. The initial reason is lost and we are going to have to fight our way out. Like it or not, the reality is that we are there and words are not going to influence the outcome either way.
We cannot allow the toops suffer because of our published discussions on this matter. If anyone has a viable way to conclude this war, let your Government Officials know, they all need some input.
WAR=We Are Responsible

 
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