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Wednesday, August 29, 2007

Cecilia Slaby's death

Cecilia Slaby died a horrible death last Thursday, strapped in her car seat left by her mother, Brenda Nesselroad-Slaby, in a closed car left in the searing heat for eight hours.

For the past week there have been thousands of comments, in letters to the editor, on Internet chat sites, on the radio, from people trying to comprehend how something so senseless happens.
An unfortunate reaction to horror is that it brings out a sense of real savagery in some people. Cecilia had to be buried in a private ceremony at an undisclosed location because her grieving family feared the public reaction. The school where her mother worked, and where the car was left parked, reports receiving threatening calls.

Whether Nesselroad-Slaby will face criminal charges has not yet been determined. The county prosecutor said all indications were this was an accident.

Many people say they can’t comprehend how any mother could forget her child, not just for a few minutes, but for an entire day. They say this was clearly negligence. That’s a reasonable question for a grand jury to decide.

But a substantial number of people insist on twisting the story, focusing on such irrelevancies as the fact that the car involved was a Mercedes-Benz. A luxury car, they suggest, means the mother must be especially uncaring. How people equate car make with parental love is beyond me.

The truth is the car was 10 years old, bought used after a wreck and restored by the dead girl’s father so her mother would have a solid, reliable way to transport the kids.

The truth of this situation is almost horrible beyond description. There is no need to make it worse with threats and distortions.


57 Comments:

at 5:38 AM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is some basis for the debate and the mercedes - you would think a family with the means, education and high level of responsibility required in this job - that, having the benefit of "all that" the parent still lost sight of the most fundamental responsibility, this child

The thing is, we have all heard the stories of women of much lesser means, little education, working ridiculous work schedules ofr little pay --- who make mistakes in judgment --- and they, well they, spend years in jail.

I'm not saying this woman should go to jail - but geez, if one who has soo much can make such mistakes in judgment, then why are we throwing those of lesser in jail for years - an accident is an accident regardless of social status, income, or race - but, by God, we sure do persue them differently , indict them differently and punish them different.

 
at 8:51 AM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 5:38am ...What are you writing about? You write she made a mistake in "judgment". Do you have evidence that she knowingly chose to risk leaving her 2 year in the car unattended, windows rolled up, in the blazing heat, for 8 hours?

This was no error in judgment. It was a stupid mistake in forgetfulness and/or a working mom focused too intently on her job. Quit making up stories and throwing your Liberal ideas on “Class Warfare” and perceived injustices.

 
at 8:51 AM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This woman clearly was not neglectful or abusive toward the child. She made a mistake, just like we all do. A mistake is different than deliberate harm. And it's okay to condemn her for her mistake, as long as YOU have never made a crucial mistake. I'm sure we can all think of a time where our minds have wandered and we've forgotten something very important.

I would like to see the results of a previous case where a parent of different "status" has been jailed for the same type of mistake (and leaving children by themselves purposely does not count).

 
at 8:56 AM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I totally agree with 5:38 AM anonymous.

One more thought, blame the airbag. If we didn't have manditory passenger airbags, children in car seats would be riding on the front seat and be visible, not tucked safely away and out of sight on the back seat.

Why are airbags required? Do they not cause more death, injury, pain and suffering in a case like this?

Who do we sue?

 
at 10:25 AM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

David Wells:

Get off your moral high horse and show some real outrage towards the perpetrator of this horrific act of violent neglect towards an innocent child. While I agree that the make of the vehicle and perception of "wealth" may inflame passions of some, the real onus is on the self-absorbed behavior of a parent who should have known better.
I am a parent, and the child of a schoolteacher. I cannot imagine ANY situation, other than medical emergency, that would justify the behavior of the mother in this instance. Speaking as a parent, I wouldn't leave my dogs, much less my children, unattended in a locked vehicle for a minute, much less 1/2 day while I "went about my business."

Mr. Wells, it pains me to think that you are somehow trying to deflect criticism and "judgement" of this woman. I am saddened that your moral compass seems aligned with those that would deem this tragedy an "unfortunate accident" rather than willful neglect. Perhaps you would be included in the group "jury of her peers".
I would never imagine being a "peer" or an apologist for anyone who would leave their own child to die in a locked vehicle.

Perhaps you need to reevaluate your priorities, sir, as a journalist and as a human, before you attack those who honestly and candidly question the actions of a parent whose child deserved far better.
J Law
513-315-8395

 
at 11:25 AM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This case unfortunately shows us that justice is not blind. If the mother here was of a minority race (chinese, black, mexican, etc.), not educated and of significant means (worked at Walmart, Taco Bell, and had a GED or less education, etc.) this case would be have submitted to the grand jury without hesitation. You wouldn't have a prosecutor pontificating on what's within in his prosecutorial discretion. This women should not receive special treatment and should be treated like other parents when "accidents" occur.

 
at 11:41 AM, August 30, 2007 Blogger Unknown said...

All the articles mention children/kids of Nesselroad-Slaby. Have the other children been removed from the home lest she forget again?

I certainly hope that a drug test and tox screen were run on the mother when she was taken to the hospital. Surely you would have to be impaired in some way to forget a child that young for eight hours.

 
at 1:13 PM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The explanation that the child was forgotten is a lie. All of us have a visceral understanding of how the human mind works and it is associative and cyclic. What do I mean?

One could forget to take the child to daycare and even forget that she was asleep (no noise?) in the car. But in the course of the first hour of your day, no matter how busy it is, that child would float up into your thoughts if for no other reason than to think of what you would serve her for dinner, or how much you love her or, etc. etc. Then, by association, you would think about how she was doing at daycare and suddenly, 'Oh God, where is she?!'.

It is a lie. More than that I cannot pretend to understand, although, I do suspect a type of protection surrounding this woman that is based on class and privilege (is she on some sort of medication, read: drugs?). I agree with the first poster, that those sad, sad women you see on the news, invariably poor and struggling, and often black are clearly doomed. They look all the worse for being dressed in bright orange and having spent the night in the slammer and having the vision to see their future unfolding.

What IS the real story here? A dependent person is dead and whether the mother is found guilty of something, or acquitted is irrelevant so long as it is thoroughly investigated and not covered up.

 
at 1:31 PM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The model Mercedes shown on the news programs was less then 10 years old...possibly 3 to 4 years old, maybe. That particular model is a newer style SUV.

What some people may be thinking, unpopular as it may be, is: Does this mother really have to work, or is she working to make car payments on a luxury car. Was this sweet child "sacrificed" just so the family could display their status symbols? Granted, that's typically a generational judgement, but stay-at-home moms is becoming a more popular choice with families now. Some parents willingly put their desires and careers aside and sacrifice for the well being of their children. If mothers HAVE to work, that's one thing, but if luxury car payments and huge house payments are the priority in parents' lives, over the proper care of their children, that's unforgivable.

 
at 3:32 PM, August 30, 2007 Blogger Unknown said...

Why for some of us is it always about race or economic status ... or national origin or sexual preference or religion or politics? Did I forget anything? Maybe we're not all human beings after all!

 
at 3:38 PM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Wells:

Since you picked up on my (unpublished) letter to the editor with your references to "Mercedes" and "Savagery", I would reiterate not only what I said, but much of what has been said above. There is clearly a class double standard. Were the mother of a different class, she would be in the slammer. There is a sex double standard, (as in "sex predator cases") were she a father guilty of the same "mistake", there would be no get out of jail free card tendered.
Mercedes is noteworthy because that reference, in combination with her career / education status, clearly paints the picture, (painting pictures is required when the Enquirer only afords 100 words) that she was not some slacker, but instead, her crime is screwed up priorities. If she has the forethought to pick a good car, but not enough to care for her daughter, that speaks volumes.
As a parent of a 7 and 10 year old, the scenario that sends chills up my spine is the MOMENTARY lapse in which there are no second chances, like the 10 year old in our community that darted in front of a fast moving car in front of his own home.
For an adult, particularly a professional type, with the resources and/or good sense to drive a safe car to, in one fail swoop, (lasting an ENTIRE DAY) to "forget" about her child, is the definition of "savagery" (my word, not your word).

 
at 3:44 PM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay an accident, an unfortunate horrible tragedy...describe it however, a child is dead because her mother didn't get her out of a hot car.
Shouldn't there be some sort of consequence for her actions? At the same time I suspect very strongly no type of punishment will even come close to the type of horror this mother will feel for the rest of her life. Punishment enough? Mercy? I go back and forth. Working mom or stay at home mom, type of car, etc should not be any determinant.

 
at 4:29 PM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to know why Cecelia was buried in such a hushed sneaky manner. Were there tests run on this child to identify any past child abuse? Where is Protective Services for the other children? How, exactly, does Prosecutor White know this was not deliberate? Were there drugs involved...or post partum depression? How did this woman remember doughnuts and not her child. Why didn't anyone from day care call during the day and ask where Cecelia was? Why didn't the mother call during the day and check on the child? How is a person "responsible" for a school and do something so heinously irresponsible to her own flesh and blood? Many questions that haven't been answered.

 
at 9:55 PM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm shocked by the volume and disparity of views regarding the death of baby Cecilia Staby, while in the care of her mother.

On one side are the know-it-all activists who see conspiracies everywhere and are quick to condemn others. Class envy prone individuals and racists base their opinions on the color of ones skin and size of pocketbook; and not on their behavior. Apparently all Mercedes-Benz owners think and act alike. The righteous are anxious to condemn others. The mother had to intend to kill the child. She must have been on drugs or alcohol. She had post partum depression. Subconsciously she wanted the child to die. The mother is a liar. The mother was chasing the almighty dollar at the expense of loving care for her child……. It must be comforting for this crowd to have a “crystal ball and corner on the truth”.

“Judge not, lest ye be judged”.

On the other side are rational observers who realize all the facts have not been presented and it's irresponsible to make hateful and evil accusations without any basis in evidence. Also, there is a clear distinction between making conscious judgments versus negligent oversight and/or forgetfulness. Have the public officials mentioned that the baby had any unordinary bruising indicative of prior abuse? Has anyone stepped forward in the know with accusations? Sometimes apparent facts are all the facts.

It’s shameful that the know-it-all activists use their personal agendas to exploit the death of innocence. Further, they exploit the mother’s lost, unavoidable lifelong grieving, and personal sense of guilt. Shame on you!

 
at 7:31 AM, August 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've already posted, but wanted to emphasize an equal justice concept in an environment where, it seems, there is a great deal of judgement of lifestyles of all kinds.

Disclaimer: I'm solidly middle class, economically; I cast a skeptical eye before giving a quarter to someone who's hungry (crack purchase?); I'm a political moderate as anyone in a democratic society should be.

The child was forgotten, neglected. It is irrelevant whether the mother was buying crack or donuts. This is why we have laws and equal protection under them.

If this is swept under the rug, do not be surprised when the street perception of unfair treatment by Cincinnati's "establishment" is given a healthy boost. Even the paranoid can be sure that there is some truth to their feelings.

Investigate, Mr. White, and, if you have them, set your cheap sentiments aside. If she is truly pitiable, trust the legal establishment to work properly, as so many others must do, even though they are occasionally victimized by it - it's not perfect but it's our system.

 
at 8:31 AM, August 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Double shame on you Anon 7:31am !
Keep your dislike for Mr. White to yourself. It's irrelevant to the pursuit of truth.

The law is setup to judge facts in evidence. The law is not a tool for unfounded accusations or your perceptions of politics and socioeconomic justice.

P.S. A third emphasis by you will not make your points anymore valid.

 
at 10:23 AM, August 31, 2007 Blogger Anonymous said...

I'm glad the do-gooder got in his "judge not" opinion. There are no crimes. No one is responsible for their actions.

Isn't this the same Prosecutor that let Amy Baker go free?

 
at 3:50 PM, August 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason we have judges is because people like Anon 10:23am equate Amy Baker with Nesselroad-Slaby.

Mob rule is out of vogue.

 
at 4:15 PM, August 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't twist scriptures to make a point.... 9:55 A.M. God gave you a brain to know right from wrong and honest questons should be asked about this situation. It may pain you, but Don White's job IS in fact to judge. It is also the detectives job to judge the situation. A 2 year old child was baked to death while strapped in a car seat and the thought of her screaming out for her mommy and dieing that way sends chills up my spine as IT SHOULD YOURS. The mother is not the victim ...the child is... that child suffered horribly and was denied a life.

 
at 1:19 PM, September 01, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

My question to the "apologists" and the "judge not lest ye be judged" crowd who feel they have a corner on "reason": Is their ANY crime or individual that would move you to feel righteous indignation ?
Timothy McVeigh ?? Adolf Hitler?? Vince Doan?? George W Bush ?? Osama bin Laden ?? Tojo ?? Castro?? Milsovic ??

Must be nice to live with the blinders of moral and cultural relativism advncing your political "correctness".

Is Mrs Slaby that much like you to deserve such compassion ?

 
at 2:26 PM, September 01, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 4:14PM.........do you have evidence that Mr. White and the detectives are not doing their jobs? Please share your investigative findings.

 
at 9:17 AM, September 02, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Third emphasis from 7:31AM:

Don't know Mr. White but he is a public figure and I am not, therefore, I reach out to him via this method of communication. I would probably like him (for a friend) because he is showing sympathy; again, irrelevant to his job.

No shame on me, because, like you, I only want to hear the facts and to see the outcome decided with absolute equity. I will admit to having a type of "sentiment radar" which I am quick to heed, because I believe that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Let me change that: I'm nearly 60 years old, and I KNOW that this is so, and I didn't invent the phrase. But, Cassandra-like, I point out the possibility of doom early on, so that we can avoid catastrophy.

Please know that my heart is very sore for Ms. Nesselroad-Slaby, also.

 
at 7:40 AM, September 04, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This situation is generating so much heat because Mr. White and other public figures such as this editorial staff, have not had the savvy to keep their comments objective and to say something while really saying nothing. It is extremely important for people in powerful positions (the media and law enforcement) to maintain and encourage by example, absolute objectivity and unbiased feeling for public consumption. Failing that, the appearance of same must be maintained at least.

Saying something while saying nothing? For example, Mr. White only had to say that "This tragic situation is being investigated with no stone being left unturned and the actions of Mrs. Slaby will be examined no less so, to determine an appropriate course of action for law enforcement to take.
At this time, no arrest has been made pending blah blah blah, and Mrs. Slaby is free under her own recognizance, her position in the community suggesting that possibility of flight is negligible. The other children are in the care of _____."

Sound like a cut and dried bit of a big city police blotter? Good. It should. It protects White, Slaby, everybody from these ghoulish, gooey blogs, etc.

The poor woman probably did make a horrible horrible mistake, but does she have to now, endure the comments of a bunch of PROFFESSIONALS who sound more like washerwomen haging over the back fence chewing the fat with the public? C'mon people, have some distance and dignity.

 
at 11:40 AM, September 04, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your biases show Anon 7:40am.
We washing women are no less intelligent than you "professionals".

Released on her own "recognizance"? What? She has yet to be charged with a crime. What is she to be released from...your assumption of guilt?

I think you failed as the prosecutors PR person. You are too bias in your assumptions.

 
at 2:31 PM, September 04, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Unlike most elected officials, judges and prosecutors should not, and by law cannot, make their decisions based on popular or public opinion,” White said. “Judges and prosecutors are bound by the law.” Per Enquirer report.

Isn't it a shame when the law doesn't support personal agendas !

 
at 3:04 PM, September 04, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I said the professionals sounded like washerwomen - old women gossips, so I think you mistook my intention. THEY needed to remain cool and reserved under the circumstances while you and I aand the rest of the public kick it around. They shouldn't appear biased.

Understood?

Although, now, it's a historical point. She will not be charged.

The word reckless comes up in the Enquirer story over and over. Without knowing the legal definition, I cannot even imagine how that was not reckless. Oh well, not my call and I can only assume they've done their job properly.

This will be my last post on the sugject.

REgards.

 
at 7:55 PM, September 04, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

In re 3:04 P.M. quote..."Oh well, not my call and I can only assume they've done their job properly."

It is all of our call to see that this does not happen to another child. There have already been 25+ children that have died this way in cars this summer. I have just written an email (referring to this case) to the Governor of Ohio asking that our laws be made much stricter in regards to leaving children in the car alone whether accidentally or not. One more child dieing this way is TOO MANY.

 
at 8:19 AM, September 05, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can it not be a crime to leave a 2 year old to die in a locked vehicle ??

 
at 8:52 AM, September 05, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw Jim Borgman's cartoon Wednesday morning. I can't discern the image so I don't know his point.

The sketch looks like a pair of hands craddling an alien baby against a mustached man's face. Then the captions read "mom not charged. Begins life sentence"

Perplexed.

 
at 4:45 PM, September 05, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

And my first ...

For those calling for a consequence, I would postulate that the this woman has paid and will continue to pay, for the rest of her days, the ULTIMATE consequence. Her child is gone forever. Every single day she has to live with it. And you say there should be a consequence, as if there is none. What amount of fine, jail time, or community service can change that her baby has died? She's paid the biggest price of all. My children are my life, and a jail term is meaningless after such a loss.

Next question - is there deterrent value in prosecuting her? No loving parent who's read this story has not felt the pain of this sad event. And every loving parent is warning themselves at great length not to make the same mistake.

What about the father who accidentally ran over his son on the driveway? The dad who put the carseat on top of the car and inadvertently drove off (the child survived, but still)? The parent who leaves the gate to the pool unlocked for just a moment and the child dies?

The punishment is confirmed, and it's a life sentence. Nothing more is needed, and certainly nothing more is warranted.

 
at 9:11 PM, September 05, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr.White has failed at his job and he failed Cecelia.
Didn't Mrs. Slaby notice her precious baby was in the car?! Who buckled her into the seat?! Did she leave her in the car at Busken too? Mom is sooooo busy that she didn't even call her sitter FOR 8 HOURS?! I would think she would call the sitter to check on her daughter...it being the first day of school and perhaps her daughter might miss her,or was having a hardtime @ the sitter?! And to talk about the car...they probably bought it because it was safe...the most unsafe thing about the car that day was the driver.

 
at 9:24 PM, September 05, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was the poster at at "3:44 PM, August 30, 2007 Anonymous"
After hearing that this is not the first time she left her child in the car, I feel she needs some sort of punishment more than the guilt she'll deal with for the rest of her life. And I say this because sadly this will happen again, another child will die, but perhaps the circumstances may be slightly different and if THAT person is charged we truly can assume the law is not fair and who you know and hire in Clermont County really matters

 
at 10:03 PM, September 05, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you say about the latest information about Slaby leaving the baby in the car alone multiple times and being admonished for it by a Day Care Administrator as early as a week before Ceceilia's death? I really can't believe how naive some people are. What is the problem? Explain it? Why can't you see that a crime has been committed here and that something stinks to high heaven in Clermont County? Are the so-called "educated" (fools) not able to even see something so basic as right from wrong in this case as the people they look down on so easily can?

 
at 1:25 AM, September 06, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:45. Plenty more is warranted. The negligent "forgetfulness" of Ms. Slaby in no way mitigates her daughter's death. Criminal charges are warranted. Would you feel the same way about the adult in this case if the child were not hers ? What if the child were YOURS ?
At the very least, a public trial would bring FACTS to light, offer insight on how so horrible a tragedy occured, while providing answers on how to prevent recurrent events from destroying lives.

The Slabys should dedicate their lives to raising money and awareness for abused children.

 
at 4:17 AM, September 06, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE CAN NOT SEE THE GUILT IN THIS CASE. SHE RETURNED TO THE VEHICLE SEVERAL TIMES, EVEN MOVED IT. I GUESS AT LEAST SHE DIDN'T FORGET THE DOUGHNUTS FOR THE MEETING.

HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED THAT SHE IS TRUSTED WITH THE WELFARE OF SEVERAL HUNDRED CHILDREN ADAY IN HER POSITION. HOPE SHE DON'T FORGET YOURS!

 
at 2:05 PM, September 06, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand parents make mistakes.
Oh yeah, I forgot my bag or my phone in the car... but a toddler?.
And the heat is an added factor but, what about food, leaving a child without food for 7 hs did not cross the mind of this woman?
The fact also that this person is an educator for heaven sake, in charge of children at a school speaks volumes about the educational system on cruise-control...to disaster.

 
at 2:54 PM, September 06, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This case has some serious issues and shows lack in our legal system. In the article White quotes "White said it would have been improper and unethical to charge her with child endangering because Nesselroad-Slaby, 40, didn’t intend to leave Cecilia in the car." But in the news lastnight it states that this was not the first time she has left the child in the car. With complaints from other parents and child care providers there should be a RED FLAG going off that there should be more action taken against this. It's apparent that she continued to go back and forth to the car...how could you not see you child? TOO BUSY thinking about the DOUGHNUTS? I mean, my heart pours out for the loss but it was a loss that could have been prevented if the mother wasn't NEGLECTING her child.

 
at 3:44 PM, September 06, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where there is smoke, there is fire. Although the initial reports upon which we have all formed opinions did not contain enough detail to convict the mother in a court of law, for some of us, there was enough to convict her in the court of public opinion, and rightly so.
A parental lapse in judgement involves moments, not hours. The parent leaving the car seat on the roof, looking the other way while a child darts into traffic - those are mistakes with no second chance to take it back. That is when a parent's torment is punishment enoughl Habitually leaving the child unattended in the car, however, (while watching other child's skit at preschool, while fetching donuts, etc, etc.) constitutes a PATTERN of behavior that clearly paved the way for willful neglect that spanned ALL DAY LONG and resulted in death. The child did not cross her mind all day long? Day care did not miss her and place a call? Give me a break!
No, all Mercedes driver's are not insensitive, evil, elitist pigs. That is not the reason that car make is germane. No matter who you are, someone will always be richer or poorer than you, so calling critical comments class envy does not cut it. Besides, a used, low-end Mercedes or a new, top of the line Toyota: the Toyota could easily cost more. The point is that clearly the mother placed a greater priority on perceived status and carefully selecting a good car than attending to the mundane, tangible, daily acts of caring for her child. This is not my spin, we now KNOW this to be the case, that this was no lapse, she was a repeat offender.
The prosecutor clearly should have sent this to a grand jury for more exhaustive efforts in the area of discovery and left the public out of it. But he did not do his job on behalf of the public. While it would be great if people with the courage to have opinions COULD have remained silent, here, the negligence of the prosecutor makes it incumbant upon the public, washerwomen if you will, to take an active role in exhibiting outrage at HIS conduct. If we don't, who will? Perhaps no one should, right? And the fact that he, (indirectly) reports to the mother's defense counsel, that really fails the smell test! For those who would passively rationalize this behavior while failing to demand justice for this dead child and public service of this public official, shame on you! Go back to your Birkenstocks and basket weaving and leave participatory government to know-it-all activists who at least have the courage to show up and speak up with a well-reasoned argument. It would have been nice if justice had been served by full discovery of all the facts, but now that mom's off the hook, the silence over this death will be deafening.

 
at 4:22 PM, September 06, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The justice system is setup to be ruled by laws and not by Liberal guilt, emotion, and sentiment.

If you don't like judicial application of existing law then change the law or organize your lynch mobs.

 
at 7:31 PM, September 06, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have not seen one comment on here that would be described as organizing "lynch mobs". The Prosecutor has done a major injustice to his community, himself, and this woman. Mrs. Nesselroad-Slaby would have been better off if she had been convicted. She would be turned over to the system and she would be forced to face up to what she did and get the help she needs. The public would have some closure and she would also have some closure in serving time for what she did to her daughter.

 
at 1:29 AM, September 07, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 4:22. It used to be legal for human beings to own other human beings in this country. Thanks goodness enough "liberal guilt, emotion, and sentiment" existed to eventually right this wrong.

Read Thomas Paine, and stop calling rational opponents of the Clermont County prosecutor "lynch mobs."

We are governed by laws and men: by necessity men can and do choose to correct and oppose injustice.

Too bad you feel Ms. Slaby is above "justice."

 
at 8:28 AM, September 07, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just this morning a man went to sleep leaving a 2 year old wandering away. He was charged an a $2500 bond set. Was this any different? No, he happens to be from a lower economic status.

 
at 11:27 AM, September 07, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you, counselor, but the rule of law is popular mythology. Judicial interpretation is less a matter of what laws actually state, the mother could / should be jailed for her actions under current law. A more accurate description, however, would be to say that law is actually a function of whichever way the wind blows.

There are many examples of laws being broken, (by legislatures, for example) but so long as they can get away with it, legal or not, they will. That said, our system is the worst thing going.....except for all the rest.

Lynch mob is certainly not the solution, implied or otherwise - your word, not mine. As with any such contentious subject, the ultimate solution is riding the fine lines between lobbying, legislation and litigation. In this case, all of the above, to ensure that prosecutors, mothers and assistant-principals like those under consideration find appropriate consequences for having failed miserably in these respective roles.

Interpretation is most certainly the problem. That said, do not drag judges into this one - the prosecutor is entirely on his own with his biased spin on what the law says and the mother and her supporters are on their own for what constitutes willful neglect by a parent.

 
at 11:50 AM, September 07, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 1:29am .......Thank you for indirectly pointing out that Civil Rights laws were enacted in the 1960s, to change law. If you want to convict People like Nesselroad-Slaby, then change the law by electing representatives that think like you.

If you are too lazy to compaign for your desires, then quit whinning.

 
at 11:57 AM, September 07, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

How is PA White's application of existing Ohio Supreme Court Case Law an injustice? Did you not understand his detailed explanation of recently decided case law?

This is just another sad example of Liberals igonoring the law and attempting to exercise Judicial Activism.

 
at 12:11 PM, September 07, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 8:28am ...your citing of individual incidents is petty and meaningless.

Did Mr. White let Amy Baker skate on her negligence of the care (minimally observation) for Marcus Feisel, which resulted in the child’s death because she was a Caucasian poor lady? Citing single instances or manipulating statistics is meaningless.

As a potential defendant, each is entitled to be prosecuted based on the merits of their individual cases. People are not supposed to be found guilty or innocent based on extraneous group statistics. Understand?

 
at 2:38 PM, September 07, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone wrote in at 4:45 saying that Mrs. Slaby will pay for the rest of her days for the mistake she made. Either that or she just got away with the murder of her own child. I just don't buy this accident bit. 4:45 goes on to say that every loving parent is warning themselves at great lengths not to make the same mistake. I'm sorry but a "loving" parent would not have left their child unattended for an entire day without that child ever crossing their mind once. I honestly think she is no different than the woman who drowned her own kids. But like I said that is just because I dont believe this was an accident. I saw Mrs. Slaby on television in an interrogation room alone saying I must be the most incompetent person that ever lived. Incompetent? You killed your own kid lady I think thats the biggest understatement of the century. But assuming it was an accident that could happen to anyone (yeah right) I still think she should be punished, and the degree and severity of the punishment should be based on the facts of the case, was she on drugs, had she done anything like this before, are there signs of abuse. But the fact of the matter is she broke the law, she was in charge of a minor and didn't do her job, her duty. If a daycare worker had accidentally left a child to die in the hot sun, they would be in the slammer in the blink of an eye. So why would the parent of this helpless individual be allowed to get away with murder (literally) well its not over yet so we will see what happens. Oh yeah and the quote by White about it being improper and unethical to charge her with child endangering because she didnt intend to leave the child in the car is so BS. What do intentions have to do with it, she endangered a child and therefore she broke the law.

 
at 5:32 PM, September 08, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I can understand that it's possible that parents can be so busy and preoccupied that that a horrible tragedy such as this could happen....I do think that in this case, Brenda Slaby was used to just leaving her daughter in the carseat, over and over. It was just commen place for her...a normal occurance for this to happen. Taking her child out of the carseat was too much trouble for her,in her mind (for a small errand like getting donuts or picking up another child at preschool. She was lazy. This was neglect.

 
at 3:44 PM, September 10, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whether Nesselroad-Slaby is guilty
of some offense with her child is debatable. However, I would not now leave my child in her care. She shuold lose her job as assist principle for her inactions; not as retribution for killing her kid.

 
at 8:46 PM, September 10, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last week on the news there was a segment on how one can be so stressed and so busy that they can forget important things. The things they do remember may have no importance, while the things they forget may be crucial. Brenda Slaby must have had one of these days resulting in the worst day of her life. Think of her life now, a life without her daughter. No healthy, mentaly-stable mother,regardless of how hard her life is would leave her daughter in her car for 8 hours on purpose. The guilt and regret she will have to live with for the rest of her life is enough punishment.

 
at 1:39 AM, September 11, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 11:50 anon..It's WINNING, not whining or "whinning". I speak for my children and the parents of my community. No one I know would leave their 2 year old in a car for 2 minutes unattended, much less all day while they "went about their business. Steve Driehaus and Bill Seitz have already been contacted. Hope Ohio legislature codifies what many already know: this is a crime against an inocent child.

All children deserve protection from the actions of a Brenda Slaby.

 
at 6:02 AM, September 11, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's unfortunate, but this area gets so hung up on the minor things that Slaby is going to have to move if she ever expects to move on in life. Slaby and Dinkel have generated far more negative press and emotion than David Hopper (AKA "The Blue Eyed Rapist").

And let's not forget that in order to charge her with neglect in the state of Ohio, it has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that she deliberately left Cecilia in her car. In this country, people are innocent until proven guilty.

 
at 9:43 AM, September 11, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see that an editorial is saying we can get Nesselroad-Slaby with a federal case, to bypass Mr. White.

I suggest we could prosecute as part of a "hate crime" statute. Yes, this way we can get our pound of flesh to make us "feel better".

 
at 2:53 PM, September 11, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 1:39am...thanks for you attempt to correct my typo...but we both failed.

Whining = to snivel or complain in a peevish, self-pitying way: He is always whining about his problems.

 
at 4:07 PM, September 11, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:43am Sept 11 Anonymous mentions "hate crime" statute. I am really ignorant on how a hate crime statute works. To me it seems like legislating thoughts. I haven’t looked recently to see if the Constitution offers a “right to free thought”, but the courts have found so many other rights in there that I wouldn’t have found on my own, that I would expect that right to be there. By law must I like everyone, or only not hate anyone. If I don’t act upon my thoughts (of hate) am I still open to prosecution just for having the thought. Do the thought police really exist?

 
at 5:08 PM, September 11, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just give us some truth, not a political - er public-servant playing judge and jury.
Let the facts come out in open court and let the punishment fit the crime.
It's not about "feeling better", it's about justice.

 
at 12:15 PM, September 12, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

To charge her with neglect, one merely has to prove recklessness, not that she did it on purpose. Neglect by legal definition is unintentional. Her habitually leaving the baby in the car for convenience is reckless behavior, especially when we know she was warned several times of the dangers. Leaving the baby for ten minutes in the car on a 90 degree day while she went inside a building to watch a skit was reckless. There is enough evidence to put before a grand jury to determine if there was a crime, period. Since when is 'I forgot,' grounds for non-prosecution? I did notice White misrepresented facts during an interview. He may as well of come out and called the Compass school witness a liar. Not to mention misrepresenting the police department's suggestion of charges.

 
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