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Monday, January 29, 2007

Energy sense and nonsense

Today's editorial page discussion on U.S. energy policy may not seem like the most exciting topic -- certainly not on the order of another Bengal being arrested -- but all of us ought to feel a sense of urgency for the nation to finally adopt a coherent plan, not just talk about it.

As syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer noted (Washington Post; requires free registration) late last week, energy "solutions" have been proposed in 24 of the 34 presidential State of the Union speeches since the traumatic oil embargo of 1973 -- including President Bush's speech earlier this month touting a "Twenty in Ten" plan to cut gasoline consumption. Still, we are more dependent on foreign oil than ever, and demand will only grow.

Krauthammer advocates a three-part "tough love" approach that probably will rankle both liberals and conservatives, although for different reasons -- raise gasoline taxes dramatically, drill for oil in the Arctic, and build nuclear plants.

That third point most intrigues me. Ever since Three Mile Island and the "China Syndrome" in late 1979, the wide-scale use of nuclear energy has been near-political poison in this country. But safer technology has evolved since then, and now we're faced with the real "China Syndrome": China, with its rapidly growing middle-class consumer economy, is making petroleum deals and embracing nuclear technology to meet future demand. In short, they're following much of Krauthammer's advice.

Soon, China will be the world's other superpower, flexing tremendous economic muscle. It doesn't matter that we may be on friendly terms politically; it's going to be about resources. Conservation will help, but only so much. America could find itself in a long-term economic decline if we don't do something to at least even the energy playing field -- and fast.


14 Comments:

at 12:20 PM, January 29, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The solutions are obvious but unattractive to Libs and Greenies.

Build hardened Nuclear Power Plants on abandoned military basis and other acceptable sites, throughout the country. Provide below market energy bills to those communities, within a reasonable distance of the plant, that vote to allow the Nuclear Zoning as a financial incentive. The Military will protect the Nuclear Plants from terrorists, as an ongoing military installation.

Nuclear power can generate electricity for homes and industry; and also generate hydrogen gas.

Electric Cars are still technologically impractical for most. Travel limits are under 100 mile trip range per charge and a 4-5 hour recharge period. Would a 24 hour travel time trip from Cincinnati to Northern Michigan be ok with you?

Even if 10% or less of our travel is local, what are we to do for long distance road travel for the 10% trips? And the Greenies also fail to address the large quantity and cost of vehicle battery pack replacement every 2-4 years.

The more economically and technically practical solution is to use Nuclear Power plants to produce hydrogen gas from water. Then we can have hydrogen fuel stations replace gasoline, nationwide. We can distribute hydrogen gas nationwide in similar fashion as we do with propane and natural gas.

In the short-term transition period from gasoline to hydrogen automobile fuel, we need to drill in Alaska and offshore deep sea. Our neighbors are drilling in these same offshore waters, at our expense.

We need to get off foreign oil and the troubles that its dependencies create geopolitically. Nuclear Power Generation is the obvious primary long term solution.

But the Libs and Greenies would rather bitch and moan about the industrial oil complex, foreign oil dependencies, the environment, etc, rather than accept the most practical, environmentally friendly, and feasible solution……Nuclear Power Plants.

 
at 12:36 PM, January 29, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, I miss wrote. I meant to write that 10% or less of our automotive trips is long distance. 90% of our travel is what we consider local travel.
In haste we error.

 
at 9:17 AM, January 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Anon, great plan. I'll even go with it, as long as you agree to one condition: the nuclear waste material goes into your basement, so you and your kids, grandkids, and great-great-great-great-great-great grandkids can have the full effect and true enjoyment of nuclear power.

Oh wait, that's not the point, is it? What to do with nuclear TRASH wasn't what you wanted us to think about, eh?

And I'm not even a greenie or a lib, lol! But I'm a free-market capatalist. So hey, I'm all for renewable energy. Shell and BP have made millions on the technology. Folks in Europe are getting their electricity from wind, of all things, wind! And hey, NO nuclear trash! WOWIE, imagine that!

Bring on the solar panels. I'll take 24 hours to get to Michigan by electric car...it beats walking there, or not living long enough thanks to radiation poisoning to get in a horse-drawn buggy.

Keep your ethanol, it's still a finite source and we need our corn to feed people. Bring on the renewables, yep...the guy who owns the patents on this technology is gonna make Bill Gates look like a pauper, lol!

 
at 4:47 PM, January 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 9:17 AM, January 30, 2007 thanks for pointing out your objections. No need to avoid the obvious issue of control and management of nuclear waste.

The control and storage of nuclear waste should remain onsite at the Nuclear Plant, in harden storage. This is another reason to “militarize” the Nuclear Plant installations. Shipping the nuclear wastes anywhere is stupid and needlessly risky. A convoy of nuclear waste on the highway exposes a greater number of people to unpreventable accidents and terrorism. The Yucca Mountain Repository project is a boondoggle and terrible risky science.

With proper on-site storage management, I would have no problem living and working at a site with nuclear waste storage. I assume your clever idea of storing the nuclear waste in my basement was humor? I can’t tell.

When the scientists learn to create enough fuel capacity from solar and wind power to power your car, and millions others daily, in practical real world application, I’m all for it. The simple truth is that the technology does not exist today or in the near future to create the quantity of fuel for the market demand, from solar and wind.

Your willingness to spend 24 hours for a 400+ mile trip that today takes 5+ hours places you in the minority of less than 1% of the population. I don’t understand your point about giving Europeans a pass on Nuclear Energy. France generates 75+% of their electricity from nuclear power. Also, the Kennedy’s won’t allow wind mills off Nantucket.

Do present facts and the forecasted state of technology in the next 30 years matter to you, in your decision making? Or are you driven by blind emotions and irrational fears?

 
at 9:08 AM, January 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 9:17am, your fear over Nuclear Waste Management is proportionately irrational in today’s world. Nuclear Power Generation and Waste Storage Technology has advanced light years, from your alarm of the “China Syndrome” movie.

It is not true that “ignorance is bliss”!

You are far more at risk for exposure to a terrorist’s “Suitcase Nuclear Bomb” or Biological Germ release from a small vial, within a heavy populated city.

Our lives and the world are full of risks and opportunities. You may choose to wisely optimize opportunities or ride in your “horse drawn buggy”. But don’t expect much company in your buggy.

 
at 10:08 AM, February 01, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aren’t there some smart scientists or engineers reading this to shoot down this idiot’s logic for Nuclear Power generation?

 
at 12:36 PM, February 02, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought more people would be passionate about this topic after paying $3 per gallon for gasoline and 30+% utility gas and electric rate increases.

I guess only me and the "horse drawn buggy" guy care?

 
at 4:35 PM, February 05, 2007 Blogger Dustin Dow said...

We might not need so much oil if we stopped eating it. Because of the industrial food chain that is built upon grain (mainly field corn), one-fifth of our country’s fossil fuel usage goes into producing and transporting food that we eat (Michael Pollan, The Omnivore’s Dilemma)

The essence of food from nature is that energy from the sun is transferred to a plant, to an herbivore and finally to an omnivore (that would be us).
What we in the United States eat now starts as chemical fertilizer (requires fossil fuels for production) used to grow field corn. That field corn is either fed to cattle (which are genetically predisposed to eat grass – not cheap field corn) or it is processed by "food" scientists who transform it into foods such as soda, pop tarts and Gatorade – or just about anything else in the contemporary American kitchen.

This reliance on cheap corn to drive the American food system has entirely removed any sense of eating local.

Instead, massive amounts of fossil fuel energy have been required in the past 60 years to grow, produce and ship food around the country. When and if the public puts a premium on eating locally-grown and raised food – be it in your home or favorite steakhouse – you’ll see the need for reliance upon foreign oil fields dwindle while bolstering national security at the same time.

 
at 8:31 PM, February 05, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Food is one of the few commodities that the USA is able to export because our farms are so productive.

We probably have the least expensive food supply and most diverse of industrial nations, based on % of disposable dollars per capita. Of course we pay for this extravagance by being the fattest country in the world too.

I just don’t see the logic of riding in “horse drawn buggies” and eating only what we can grow in our own or neighbors’ backyard as a plan for progress, security, and happiness.

What percent of the population do you think want to retreat back to being fulltime farmers, as means for subsistence?

 
at 12:58 PM, February 08, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm the "horse-drawn buggy" guy. And all of you have missed the point completely.

The half-life of nuclear waste (that means the time it takes for the radiation to become HALF as potent as when you made it) is millions of years. I'm not kidding, that's scientific fact. In other words, we will be creating something that will leak out of any "hardened" storage containment (which will disintegrate before the waste does), seep up from Yucca Mountain, irradiate the soil and make it impossible to grow ANYTHING in this agricuturally rich nation of ours, contaminate our underground water tables, which then spoils the entire water supply in this nation, and shorten the lifespans (and possibly render extinct) most life forms on Earth, including we humans.

I'm not willing to invest money, support legislation or buy stocks in companies who support the advancement of nuclear technology. And the rest of the world pretty much agrees.

The answer is renewables. The answer is NOT ethanol (it does help the transition though). The answer is solar, wind, water, geothermic...these sources are renewable, not finite. The answer is STOP DRIVING SUV's (that stands for "Sucking Unreasonable Volumes" by the way) and start driving hybrids or electrics! The cost of developing this technology is more than the savings it brings at present. It will not remain this way, and is beginning to show profitable returns here and there across the world as we continue to try new options and develop existing ones. THIS is where the investment money, legislation and stock purchases need to be.

People have NO idea how much they depend on oil and fossil fuel. Gas is nothing, people. It's the tip of the huge iceberg. EVERYTHING MADE OF PLASTIC is made from oil.... yes, I mean everything from the milk jug to car parts! THINK HOW MUCH AROUND YOU IS PLASTIC! Cosmetic cases...bags at the store...meat trays...wrappers for everything...juice bottles...my coffeemaker, the casings of my PC, printer, scanner, fax machine, telephone, cup warmer, lamp, and the funky paperweight my kid gave me...fiberglass...all this is made from oil. Anything with ammonia? Oil. The entire U.S. food growing, harvesitng, processing and distribution network? Oil. The USA power grid? OIL. That means the Internet, Wall Street and the banking system in this country, also depend on OIL.

So before you take my backhanded sarcastic comment about a horse and buggy and run down the street cranking and whining, DO SOME RESEARCH, as I have, and learn just what the situation is we are facing. We have a finite amount of fossil fuels and a growing world population. We have dwindling energy resources and growing demand. We have a world that is emitting more and more greenhouse gases, which is altering the climate of the poles (this is fact, not liberal crowing; I'm NOT a liberal, as I said before) and we are not looking at the technologies that can reverse or even reduce the issue.

We passed peak production of domestic oil in the 70's, and if you're 40 or more, you remember the gas lines that resulted when the foreign oil embargo happened and we realized we couldn't meet our own demand anymore. Here's the shocker...it was predicted by a scientist at Shell Oil back in the 50's! That same guy predicted passing peak oil production GLOBALLY right at the end of last century. The result is what we are seeing today, with prices, increasing brownouts, and other indicators.

I'm not some brainiac PhD...anyone can find this information, try READING and doing some research. I don't mean Googling, either. But I do mean making this important enough to take the time to find out what the actual science is, not just the politics.

And you want to run with my comment about a horse-drawn buggy??? Good Lord.

We made a mistake with fossil fuels. If we take the nuclear path, we will destroy what is left. Not right away, no. But over time, the lives of generations (not just our kids, but great-great-great-great-great-great....you get the idea) will be horribly altered. This could possibly end life on Earth. So no, nukes are not the answer. The science doesn't bring it to bear against emission-free/emission-safe renewables, and it's too big of a risk to take; there's too much at stake. We didn't really know what the A-bomb would do until we hit Hiroshima. Then it took decades to realize the lingering horrors of radiation poisoning. I'm not willing to promote that sort of mistake globally.

 
at 1:09 PM, February 08, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Buggy-guy again. I forgot something. I don't want to militarize our energy. We're a free-market society, not a dictatorship or totalitiarian, communist or socialist. This is private industry and should remain that way. The Federal government has too much damn control as it is.

And, remember Three Mile Island, and Cherynobyl. (is that how it's spelled?) Those were little mistakes. Look at the damage. So what happens if we have something like Katrina hit a few of these nuke stations?

Something to think about.

 
at 2:46 PM, February 08, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Facts:
Nuclear Waste Storage and Management is a long-long-long term proposition. It is not a dig a hole or drill a hole in Yucca and forget about it. That said it is a very manageable localized system. Military is needed to protect plant operation and nuclear waste storage at each plant from terrorism. The military will not run the plants’ technology operation.

Ongoing nuclear management is needed to maintain harden storage and upgrades of this storage. R&D is needed to improve storage nuclear waste management. There is not a term limit on its management, unless our technology advances to deplete Nuclear Waste. Future depletion of nuclear waste is not an expectation for validation of Nuclear Power Generation today

We have not reached peak domestic oil production, because we stopped domestic exploration. However, oil is a finite resource and will be depleted some time in the future. We need to get off fossil fuels.

Global warming is an unproven cause and effect relationship, both subjectively and historical statistically. There are valid arguments as to whether warming trends are natural or manmade. Further, there is no proven science that warming trends will advance to a level of severe concern, beyond the group of scientists and political activists “crying wolf” that depend on its justification, for their financial research funding and existence.

You are correct that petroleum is currently needed for plastics production. It’s cheap and available today.

Fossil Fuel is a finite resource. Nuclear Energy is not a finite energy resource. Thanks for pointing out this distinction and Nuclear’s advantages.

Regarding, Three Mile Island, and Cherynobyl. How many people died from Three Mile Island? The China Syndrome was a movie. There is little valid comparision to USA and French Nuclear technology compared to the old USSR.

Regarding your information research, please report all the facts; and not only the facts or obscuring of facts that support your arguments. Please objectively look up “your facts”.

 
at 12:13 PM, February 11, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good grief.

OK, let's pull our military guys out of Iraq so they can babysit the power companies.

Let's spend billions of dollars earmarked for Iraq on developing something that won't rot away before the nuclear waste it holds becomes inert. Concrete, steel, platinum, titanium...none of this works.

Hey, no one died in those nuclear accidents, so what does it matter that the water and land can't be used, and people can't live there anymore?

But hey, you need to get to Michigan in 5 hours, by God, let's GO NUCLEAR!!

How pathetic. This is why the world's in this mess. No thought for the effects our actions have on the future and the world we live in. And that's why no one will be able to get this guy to understand the real catastrophic dangers of nuclear energy waste. So, I'm done with this conversation.

Best of luck to ya, and hope your radiation suits don't itch.

 
at 4:52 PM, February 12, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey "Horse Buggy Guy", do you have anyone waiting in line for a ride back to your glorious past of low technology, uncontrollable spread of contagious diseases, working dawn to dusk to put a scrap of food on your table from your own organic farm, and carrying your own gun to protect your family from cowboys and Indians?

 
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