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Friday, December 01, 2006

Dumbed-down or wised-up

I wonder how many of us natives would ace a proposed new citizenship quiz being tested by the federal Immigration Service for rollout in 2008.

Instead of just asking wannabe citizens, "What is the Constitution," the new test asks "What does the Constitution do?" Another draft question asks, "Why are there three branches of government?" A third asks, "What major event happened on Sept. 11, 2001, in the United States?" Reformers figure since immigrants swear an oath when they become citizens, they ought to know what they are swearing allegiance to. At least some proposed questions sure beat making immigrants memorize details such as how many stripes are on our flag.

Critics object that some applicants for citizenship can barely read or write and won't be able to understand such questions. But isn't citizenship a privilege, like voting, and isn't it worth trying to encourage new citizens to internalize American values?

We should be a compassionate country, but surely some minimum standards aren't asking too much. In Kentucky, groups already are squaring off over a proposed constitutional amendment to automatically restore voting rights to low-level felons after they've served their time. It's probably DOA in the state Senate. Such offenders currently have to ask the governor in writing to restore their voting rights. A League of Women Voters study charged the current system especially disenfranchises black felons. Others object that it's a hardship on illiterate felons. But if they're that illiterate, how do they vote?


9 Comments:

at 11:40 PM, December 01, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tony, there is really something wrong in your tone. You know how people have a sixth sense or use their mother's intuition? There is really something queer about the way you phrased your commentary.

You know, my grandpa was nearly illiterate. He raised 9 children, gave to charity and worked his behind off except on Sundays when you found him at church.

In fact, in his glory days as one of the 10 wealthiest men in Hamilton County (self made), he built the catholic church his family attended.

I really have a problem with this cavalier attitude about the acquisition of an education - despite being a necessity for self sufficiency, greedy people complain about the taxes paid to afford everyone that opportunity equally.

I don't know, but I think you just might be a snooty little snob who never really had to look hunger in the eye, never doubted having electricity to warm your home or felt fearful for your safety in your own bed.

My grandfather made sure that we all understood how that felt, appreciated what blessings we had and showed empathy for those less fortunate.

For an illiterate man - he was brilliant and good.

And dumbed-down is what you think about the new phrasing of these questions? They require thoughtful consideration and full understanding - anyone can memorize - acquiring knowledge and comprehension appears the goal to be measured - not the ability to form a perfect grammatical sentence.

YOu state one opinion and then seem to insult with the other endof the pen.

 
at 2:36 AM, December 02, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that to vote PERIOD, you should be required to take a citizenship test, and now, apparently, a geography test. I remember a study released in the late 90's, showing that the overwhelming majority of us couldn't point Iraq out on a map. How different would that statistic be today?

I also think that in order to vote, people should be required to acknowledge the following, additionally:

1. The People who attacked us on 9/11 were:

a. Palestinian
b. Iraqi
c. Afghani
d. Saudi Arabian

2. True or False: Saddam Hussein co-conspired the events of 9/11 with Al-Qaeda.

3. How much does the United States spend on military every year, making us spend more than the next 10 countries behind us, combined?

a. $10 billion
b. $50 billion
c. $100 billion
d. Over half a trillian.

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It would be nice if the average voter could answer all of the above questions as well as that citizenship test. The masses probably wouldn't vote as much for the GOP as they normally do, and our brave soldiers surely would never have invaded Iraq pre-emptively without legitimate rime or reason . . .

 
at 10:42 AM, December 02, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous said...

We should be a compassionate country, but surely some minimum standards aren't asking too much. In Kentucky, groups already are squaring off over a proposed constitutional amendment to automatically restore voting rights to low-level felons after they've served their time. It's probably DOA in the state Senate. Such offenders currently have to ask the governor in writing to restore their voting rights. A League of Women Voters study charged the current system especially disenfranchises black felons.


The fact is that felon disenfranchisement varies by state and if you guessed it is mostly embraced by states with a history of civil rights violations you would be correct.

http://www.hrw.org/reports98/vote/usvot98o-01.htm

· A total of 3.9 million adults, or 2.0 percent of the eligible voting population, is currently or permanently disenfranchised as a result of a felony conviction.

· Six states—Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, New Mexico, Virginia, and Wyoming—exclude from the vote more than 4 percent of their adult population, or more than one in twenty-five.

· Florida and Texas each disenfranchise more than 600,000 people.

· Alabama, California and Virginia each disenfranchise close to a quarter of a million persons.

· Nearly three-quarters (73 percent) of the disenfranchised are not in prison, but are on probation, or parole or have completed their sentences.

· 1.4 million of the disenfranchised are ex-offenders.

· Five states—Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Texas, and Virginia—each disenfranchise more than 125,000 ex-felons. One-third of all disenfranchised ex-felons (436,900) are in Florida.

· One million people of the disenfranchised were only sentenced to probation and not to prison. Texas disenfranchises nearly a quarter of a million people (234,200) on probation.


Ohio also had evidence of dirty tricks by GOP operatives in 2004 aimed at suppressing the vote.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/2

Republicans in Ohio also worked to deny the vote to citizens who had served jail time for felonies. Although rehabilitated prisoners are entitled to vote in Ohio, election officials in Cincinnati demanded that former convicts get a judge to sign off before they could register to vote.(83) In case they didn't get the message, Republican operatives turned to intimidation. According to the Conyers report, a team of twenty-five GOP volunteers calling themselves the Mighty Texas Strike Force holed up at the Holiday Inn in Columbus a day before the election, around the corner from the headquarters of the Ohio Republican Party -- which paid for their hotel rooms. The men were overheard by a hotel worker ''using pay phones to make intimidating calls to likely voters'' and threatening former convicts with jail time if they tried to cast ballots.(84)

83) ''The Disenfranchisement of the Re-Enfranchised; How Confusion Over Felon Voter Eligibility in Ohio Keeps Qualified Ex-Offender Voters From the Polls,'' Prison Reform Advocacy Center, Cincinnati, Ohio, August 2004.

84) Preserving Democracy, 64.
Note: Additional reporting contributed to this paragraph.



In 2000 the state of FL spent $3 million to hire a private company to create an expansive and incorrect list of ineligible
voters just 5 months before the 2000 presidential election. If you guessed that this was undertaken by a partisan Secretary of State who was also in charge of the GOP presidential campaign in that state named Katherine Harris you would be correct.

The deeper question should not be "We should be a compassionate country, but surely some minimum standards aren't asking too much." regarding whether former felons should be permanently disenfranchised, it should be to ask what purpose this serves and if it is really about suppression. When partisan officials control the voter roles, they are likely to rule based on self interest. That is not democracy. I would expect the press to understand this.

 
at 7:25 PM, December 02, 2006 Blogger John in Cincinnati said...

Tony,

Some interesting points you raise, and I think they're made without malice. They raise some questions, however, about your civics lessons. You draw a distinction between "right" and "privilege" which would not adequately capture most of those reading in this forum.

Born here, I take my citizenship as a right, not a privilege. SCOTUS has held voting as a right by extension if not explicit construction. Legislation, such as the National Voting Rights Act further underlines voting as a right, while leaving states latitude with respect to felons.

While one might argue citizenship is a privilege granted to immigrants who have met certain criteria, for most of us both our citizenship and the franchise are rights.

On the other hand, governments derive their power soley from the consent of the governed. Since voting is the direct means by which a citizen expresses that consent, we should deny such rights only in the most extreme circumstances. Ohio restores voting rights to felons when they are no longer incarcerated.

Not so long ago, voting was withheld on the basis of gender and literacy. Let's not take backwards steps into history.

 
at 8:25 PM, December 02, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Voting isn't a priveledge,it's a right.All citizens should be able to vote. It helps them to feel vested in the interests of the country.Just like homeowners usually take better care of their property than renters,citizens with voting rights take greater interest in their country.

 
at 2:05 PM, December 06, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry but only property owners and income tax payers should be allowed to vote. You should be required to prove you have either/or when you go to vote.
If you are a welfare recipient or on government assistance you should not be allowed to vote and repeal the 26th amendment giving 18 years olds the right to vote.
Literacy must be a requirement to vote and you must read and understand English.
Felons should not be allowed to vote ever, you gave up that right when you willfully broke the law.

Blast Away

 
at 5:10 PM, December 06, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry solorunner, but the constitution says "all men are created equal." nowhere does it say "all property-owners" or all "income-tax-payers." This is America, where everyone has the right to vote, no matter whether they can read or not. (Believe it or not, illiterates are people too!) And what about people with dislexia? Should they be democratically penalized because of a disease? Thats not the America we live in, solorunner. I'm glad you only get one vote like the rest of us, but I'm sure you feel you deserve two.

 
at 11:12 AM, December 07, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon, good comment however, I added, "Blast away" knowing full well that the comments were harsh. I would argue that just because we have the right to vote shouldn’t mean that every illiterate moron should be exercising that right. I take no pride in a system that allows a tax cheat, bank robber, and uninformed degenerate or illegal alien to cancel out my vote.
Property holders and taxpayers have a higher vested interest in their government, contribute far more to the pool and why should their contribution and their voices be canceled out by those who contribute nothing? You need to take a test to get a drivers license, you can’t sell insurance without a license but any yahoo can affect the outcome of a vote that may determine how a country is run?
Sorry too many people aren’t qualified to raise their own children let alone choose their government
While I’m on it I didn’t make any derogatory comment your way so this “I'm glad you only get one vote like the rest of us, but I'm sure you feel you deserve two.” I haven’t inferred I’m better then someone else but I for one am tired of having huge chunks of my income confiscated the see it blown away on projects I oppose and having my vote canceled out by some 18 year old punk who cant tell you what state he lives in.

 
at 1:53 AM, December 18, 2006 Anonymous Anonymous said...

As Brian said, you should have to take some sort of test, I’m not to sure whether a geometry test should be included. after all, Who our president is, has nothing to do with where Denmark is located.

But I do agree with the illiteracy point, if someone can't tell you who the current vice president is, why should (s)he be aloud to decide who our next one will be. They are probably basing it on a friends opinion (or that catchy jib-jab jingle) anyways.

Why can’t dogs vote after they become 18? After all, they live in the US too. Now, I do not mean to compare the tenth wealthiest man in Hamilton to a dog,- BUT as far as current events go, there are certain times, with certain people, when/where the dog may make a more educated choice.

solorunner had a point with the drivers licenses, you wouldn't let a blind man drive, now would you? And yet, by your argument, he has just as much right to drive as the rest of us; after all, it's not his fault that he was born blind. But I bet you wouldn’t let him behind the wheel of a car. it is the same idea when you let a person who is ill informed, misinformed or completely ignorant step up to that ballet-box.

By letting blind people vote, we are going to run this country right into a brick wall.

 
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